Who is the composer? >> Improved labelling of Music

Current classical music metadata is far from good. Other streaming services are setting artist=composer, which is also practice musicbrainz is using. Can Deezer change their metadata to follow musicbrainz practices when it comes to classical music? I am asking this, because current metadata causes loads of incorrect last.fm scrobbles.

Agreed! There doesn't appear to be any consistency or real thought given to the labelling/meta data of classical music. This is a problem when you can easily have 100 recordings of the same work by different artists. An 'advanced' search function is needed to differentiate composer, orchestra, soloist, choir, label, etc. Finding specific recordings quickly is a constant challenge - and it shouldn't be.

Also annoying is the lack of info on multi-disc titles where you can't read from the track what the piece actually is.

Add to that the lack of sub genre's for searching."CLASSICAL" is not a genre it's a collection of genre. Surely there is room for more??

I am a classical musician and an assiduous listener.

I think Deezer is very poorly designed for classical music!!!!!!


I wish I could help with that...

Hi Mika, just to update you: I've passed it on as feedback to our team. So far I can't share any updates regarding this, but I hope that more users will vote for you idea so that the team will see how important the metadata for classical music is. I will also keep you posted about any updates 🙂

Where an album includes music by more than one composer, it is essential to add the name of the composer to each track title. To describe a track only as eg. "Symphony No 1. 1st Movement" is meaningless.

Hi @Alan.Peill I have moved your topic to this one as it has the same idea ;)

Hopefully we can do something about this soon, vote above 😉

Forcing compilations (especially those non-official) and playlists, instead albums, is repulsive.
Also, giving advantages to the latest albums and (when it comes to classical music) to the latest performances and editions is not something that points to professionalism.
I can understand that's the reason for this is commercial, but there should be a certain level.
Classical compositions are regularly quoted without full names, and when it comes to editions with more than one composer, almost regularly the composers are not mentioned with the name of the compositions. That's the very low level.

@dionisic I moved your topic to this ongoing discussion on the ideas forum. You can join the conversation here and vote for it to be implemented 🙂

Hello! I just did.

One of my big deception with Deezer subscription is that LOTS of classical music records give incomplete credits information. Its not enough to say Allegro, Andante etc... we NEED to know the tittle of the composition and also the composer...
Please fix this. It´s totally necessary.!
thanks

in many classical music pieces is not reported the author name
it should be added,

Mika wrote:

Current classical music metadata is far from good. Other streaming services are setting artist=composer, which is also practice musicbrainz is using. Can Deezer change their metadata to follow musicbrainz practices when it comes to classical music? I am asking this, because current metadata causes loads of incorrect last.fm scrobbles.

I would be opposed to the artist=composer idea. A composer is one thing, a performer something else. And although I _primarily_ want to know that this is Beethoven's 5th symphony (and not Mahler's, say), I also appreciate knowing whether it's being performed by the Berlin Philharmonic or the Southend Youth Orchestra. So what we need is an extra column of metadata so that we get both performer and composer on the tracklist. I see that this is an old thread, but nothing seems to have been done about it yet ...

In the sea of great classical music offered by Deezer I am often struggling to identify the composer of a work. Especially on albums containing music by more than one composer many titles only display the title of the work (e.g. "Sonata for piano no. 5, op. 36: 1 Allegro con brio") plus the musician(s) and that's all. So either you know the work is by Beethoven or you have to find out by other resources. The reason is that the labeling follows the ratio of songs and their performing artists but where the composer's name is of secondary importance.
Maybe some of you here have made similar experience and maybe Deezer has an idea how to overcome this problem. For listeners of a classical music piece, the name of its composer is essential.

@adl58 I merged your post into this topic. Please vote for it and I hope that this will be improved in the future 🙂

@Anja and @Flo.Deezer, where are with this, please? Have these improvements made it to the backlog, what's the priority given by the product owner(s)?

No news about this? It is easy to improve this problem.

@Flo.Deezer, look at the album Anne-Sophie Mutter, Saito Kinen Orchestra, Seiji Ozawa, Diego Matheuz: The Tokyo Gala Concert (Deutsche Grammophon, released 1 Jan 2019, https://www.deezer.com/en/album/82874372). To put it bluntly without any niceties and sugarcoating, this is abysmal! You must do better!

The publisher has all the necessary data available so it's the Deezer system that fails us. Sorry to say but that's what seems to happen. Let me google that for you to confirm it: https://www.deutschegrammophon.com/en/cat/4836746. In this case, if you had just imported the data as provided, it'd be all good. It defies logic and smacks your customers in the face that you evidently strip crucial parts of the available data when you read it into your system.

The question is: what does it take from us to get Deezer to do this well, please? The best that can happen to you is a good competitor who has their act together in this. Either it shows you a model on how to do this (if you now are at loss) or you quickly get rid of many of us whingers from the sidelines and there's peace on earth on both sides.

Hi Nikolaus, I have passed your feedback on to the right team and hopefully we will be able to improve the classical albums credits 😉

This topic is over one year old.
I totally agree with the posts here, and it seems that nothing changed since then.

I was looking for the Goldberg Variations by J.S. Bach,
not exactly marginal music.

I could not find it!
I had to find the BWV number for the work and then it appeared that there are many good lbums of this music.

Deezer needs to add a tag : composer
and another tag work

The goldberg variations are one work of music that exists of 32 tracks. The belong together and we want to play them in the right order.

Whoever plays the piano is of less importance, although it would be nice to be able to quickly choose between interpretations.


Why has this not been fixed yet? There are now at least two streaming services to cater for classical music because other service still ignore this. However those services do not have any pop, rock or world music. Help!

Hi there @elck

I'm a fan of Classical myself so I understand your frustration.
But like any idea of improvement, we need users to vote so that it can be prioritised among all ideas, right? I've got my vote here and hopefully getting more, this idea gets off the ground.
Perhaps if we develop better tags in general, the experience will improve 😉

This problem has been noted here for over a year.
As today is the last day of my premium test account I don't think it will be solved in time.
I like Teezer better than Sp*ttify in many ways, but if I cannot even find the Goldberg Variations then I guess this is goodbye.

@elck

Would you like me to look into the "Goldberg Variations" specifically? I know there are a few shortcomings when it comes to Classical as we've established here but we need more users to vote for it so that it can be prioritised by the devs.

Nope, it was just an example. A classical piece, not found under composer, consisting of many tracks with non descriptive names like variation or menuet or canon etc.

https://www.deezer.com/search/goldberg%20variations

If you want to see e.g. more related albums, just click on the header of the relevant section from the search results.