[FEEDBACK] What do you think of "Flow"?

Well, my story is long, but lets say that it has two points:
 

• The first one was when 2k exists. I started playing songs in Deezer, using playlists,flows, mixes, until i had an error. Later, I knew it was because of the 2k limit. And I tried different things to avoid it: to begin with, i deleted all 2k songs and started from 0, adding only the best favorite songs ( i have best favorite songs and favorite songs, translated with stars, lets say 4 stars is favorite, and 5 stars are the best). My target was to go slowly, very slowly adding favorites ,making sure i couldn’t live without listening those , because if I could or I get bored , then, they weren’t really the best for me . I created playlist with the first letter of the song, but i filled them quickly. So my next step was to include a seccond letter of the song. As a result, i got more playlists and didn’t reach each 2k limit . I had some of them with 1 song. I knew Deezer’s flow works with your favorites songs,artists,albums….the problem was that i reached the limit in songs and artists, so Flow wasn’t going to improve. I started listening playlists, and also Radio when it was launched! Friends also recommended me songs, some of them from Deezer but the rest were from other streaming apps. In that case, i had to search them individually, or use songcatcher to identify and add them to one of my two letters playlists.
   
• The second point in my Deezer’s history was recently, when favorite limit increased. Then, things changed. I decided to remove my favorite songs library to start from 0 with Flow and I noticed, as others say here, that it played some songs one time and other and other. I was in freemium mode, which allows you to skip 6tracks per hour.
  
  So imagine that i spent those 6 tracks per hour limit just with songs i had already listened to. And the funny thing is that after skipping , it could give me a new song or continue playing songs I had also listened, and what is worse, i couldn’t skip! . In other words, the free time i had, was spent by skipping songs and discovering 1,2,3 or 4 per day. Too slow and Flow wasn’t improved.
  
  Then I took a decision. Listen again to some of the most popular playlists to add new songs to my favorite zone . Doing that, I kept most of the 6 skipped tracks per hour  and only spent with songs i didn’t like. That worked and my library increased.After that, I started creating mixes from songs of my favorite section to discover new ones, until I realized after some time of adding most of them that they repeated themselves again!! Omg!! .
  
  I returned to Flow and it was improved, not so many already-liked songs played together, it gave me new ones and I could breath, finally. Recently, my subscription was changed to HiFi and I’m able to skip already-liked songs and songs I don’t like. Making it faster for algorithm to know more about me.

So in conclusion, at the end, Flow understand me, or it seems from what I see. Definetly, new 10k limit will help to improve the system. Maybe you ask why I didn’t transfer songs from other streaming services to Deezer? Considering that i have 26k in some of them, as a result of years and years discovering music in different streaming services, and sending songs from one to another and from the another to the one.

Well, my answer is easy: if i had done that, then i would have filled 10k limit at the moment, and that means that i would have  gone back to the first point: using again the playlist with 2 letters of the songs system and Flow would be, again,  in a deadlock because I couldn’t add more songs!! It would have improved , of course, but taking into account that i have 26k favorite songs (approximately) and Deezer “only” accepted 10k, it would have lost the 16k remaining.

That’s one reason. The other one is that i want to see how many time (months,years) take me to reach 10k limit with songs I knew, and new ones! I want to enjoy again pressing heart icon one time and other and other, after years without doing so. And when I filled the 10k limit, and transfer to other streaming services (just to know how many songs in total i have, for playing i prefer Deezer, by far ! ), i’ll probably hit a new record.

By the way, playlists with the first two letters are still on my library. Sometimes i remove songs with heart iccon filled , as they are in favorite zone, and deleting from those playlists translates in that i will have more space in the future when i have to return to this system: having 10k favorite songs + ( 2letters playlists * nº of songs in each one)

For now, i added 1914 songs and increasing...

I enjoyed reading it, thanks!

I used too Freemium for my first day which was 29.06.2019, and I was not happy with this 6 time skip, so I bought annual Premium. After it ends I will get Hifi Family from Deezer to try new stuff.

My Deezer has 2010 favourite tracks right now :)

I’m glad you liked my story with Deezer Flow , hehe. 

Be careful with family members if they are from Internet, friends and family members are better. You can imagine the reasons: 
- they don’t pay: in this case isn’t a problem at all because if you are the admin, you don’t give access until they pay
- you pay and admin disappears: is the worst situation. You lose money and is difficult to get it back , maybe using paypal they can help you. Also, most people pay > 1 month or yearly, so admin thief makes his/her month !!
- members leave family: you can find a lot of reasons here: without work, earning less money at job, more economic outputs, don’t like this streaming service, fights between family members,etc.

2010 songs 1 month away,  maybe you have already 2,5k, or more,  now. The question is if you are going to stop somepoint between 9-10k or just get the limit. 
For now I have 3069 songs as favorites and i’m thinking about stopping at 9,5k so i have 0,5k songs until 10k limit goes higher in the future. Because if i got the limit, the only way to improve Flow would be pressing “don’t recommend this song”,  songs added to my ! playlists with 2 letters wouldn’t improve Flow. 

I'm not sure I understood what you said @LaClau Copada but if you mean you'd like to discover new music, maybe try Monday Discovery in the homepage.

Also, check this out and leave your vote:

https://en.deezercommunity.com/ideas/private-from-flow-session-deezer-incognito-mode-58434

Good point @RenatoG 

The good news is that our Content teams are actually working on a way to classify our content into different categories, EP, Singles, Live...that way the algorithms we use can provide better recommendations as well 

Thanks for the feedback and stay tuned!

I dont know what has been happening but Flow has been amazing over the last week. I’ve noticed a lot more song and album variety from my bands. The songs that play all the time are now down by about 10x. Literally upgraded to Hi-Fi plan and looking forward to the continued improvements :)

Just got Deezer, and Flow is rather impressive, with decent results after just a couple of days, and about two dozen favorite artists. However, one thing that’s annoying is that it plays many favorited songs, even after I played them more than once in the last couple of days. There should be some kind of cooldown period. I’d rather hear different songs from the same artist.

Here’s an idea:

Add sliders to FLOW for customization for each use. In order of preference/most useful:

1. What % of FLOW should be from your favorite tracks (0-100%)?
2. What % of FLOW should be from your favorite artists (0-100%)?
3. What % of FLOW should be from XYZ genre (0-100%)? I realize there are pre-made mixes for these sometimes, but this option would be keeping it within your favorites. Within FLOW, sometimes I want more of one genre or another. Sometimes I want to mix in some metal, sometimes not. Sometimes I want mostly relaxing music. Sometimes I want more upbeat. So I could select 100% on slider 1 above and then all metal for example. It would only play my favorite metal tracks.
4. What % of FLOW should be new releases (0-100%)?

With these sliders, I can’t think of any reason why I would ever not listen to FLOW. All of the other “daily” mixes, “playlists you’ll love”, etc. “Music” section can go away. There would be no need for any other automated mixes.

I’m getting very good results from the daily mixes. In effect, they automatically group my music tastes into five coherent groups - and offer new tracks too. Plus I see the list in advance and can edit it - e.g. removing the songs I know I don’t like, or the ones I have heard too many times. It’s something that works really well, and not all services have. A killer feature, I think. If you have the time to edit the playlist, it can be a music discovery playlist, or “the best of”, even without sliders to customize it.

So the only reason I’d use Flow instead is like zero effort radio, e.g. when I’m in the kitchen, and can only skip the tracks occasionally. But even then I’d like to have control over the styles - e.g. some genres can be inappropriate to play out loud. So maybe the better way to use Flow would be to offer shorter daily mixes as a starting point - e.g. 20 tracks, then follow up with Flow based on the tracks you did listen to.

For me FLOW has been bad long time.

As they now removed my Legends status I finally can be honest about it.

It does not work the way I want him to work. I do understand it’s their main product and selling point, but honestly nothing too special. I came to Deezer one year and 3 months ago and since then I and other people been complaining about poor variety in FLOW. We want to DISCOVER, not hear again.

I play FLOW weeks from now and it’s about 90 % my playlists or liked tracks.

Only 10 % is something new.

You complain here, they say Skip for a while, ban artist. Skip as fast as possible.

Unlike a track? Isn’t it even a solution? Add different tracks.

I’ve been doing that, liking different remixes, yet FLOW never played them.

It was one Remix version I added and it played on flow constantly.

I finally was so fed up with it, I changed to Spottily.

It’s not for everyone, and I do get that, but for me it solved the issue. On Deezer I had issues of not having anything new on the table. I was hard to update any lists as no recommendations.

They did add “You might like” row as we asked, but it’s just a start and seems to suggest artists I hearted or listened. So they are rarely new. On service I mentioned there is full main page of suggestions. Personally made. I feel like I finally can be lost in music and my playlists updated.

My happy hardcore playlist has been growing since 1st, so much recommendations.

FLOW Track Mixes no more playing charts.

It just works, on every radio/flow elsewhere. You generally get here nice answers like “Someone is looking into it right now”, but I’ve been here for over a year now. For how much longer to look?

Now I looked elsewhere and did I say to be happy about it.

They know it their product is not ready, and people are leaving because of this, yet they’ve seemed to be unhappy with my decision to go as Legends. I was in a way fed to be Legends in the first place, as I needed to share these empty promises and cache clearances just in case.

On the new platform I do not need to start my day with cache clearance. Ever.

Why it should be even something to try anywhere.

I kept posting bug reports, that’s a thing as Legends, but I’ve seen it’s road to nowhere.

Nothing gets implemented, only certain lives matters here and LGBT campaigns on.

This is why there is Bluetooth headphones on the market.

You do not need to go ANYWHERE to skip. As well if you use something else than Deezer, you have no need to even skip, as radios and flows are on point and they do not play same to the point of tireness. Keep listening, FLOW, in your kitchen. I couldn’t take the same music anymore playing.

My playlist update percentage grew like 50% alone when I changed platform with better discovery.

Skips went like 90% down.

I don’t know if this is relevant yet, but I’ll add my share.

Flow took a long flight to flow. It was a gruesomely repetitive experience at first, and it really p*ssed me off because of the insistence in the same artists and the same songs from the same artists.

Now, more than a 1000 favorite songs and several favorite albums and playlists later it’s finally catching up to my taste.

Some inputs, though:

1. Stop recommending classical music songs in Flow. That’s not the way most classical music is listened to in concerts nor the way they were intended to be listened to by the composers. It doesn’t make sense to listen to a single movement from a classical concert in the middle of pop songs, even if they have similar moods.
2. Why can’t I add songs to “Play next” in Flow? This doesn’t make any sense at all. Is it for cache reasons? Well, keep the already cached songs in cache and play them as soon as the “added next” song plays. Flow would benefit from that, should that option be available. The algorithm could be modeled in a way that a song added as next could shape the direction and mood of the next songs.

@Gaffer13 above:

Any of the options would be nice!

More imputs:

1. Flow is starting to have more congruence in moods, ambiences, atmospheres, call it what you want. It’s not a matter of genre. Rock music has a lot of slow, lowbeat songs, for instance, and those marry well with slow, lowbeat songs from any genre. But the option to change the “mood” refer to genre choices. I don’t want to focus on a particular genre if I ask to change mood. We should be given option to change mood to “dark”, “urban”, “danceable”, “elegant”, etc. Be creative. How can this be implemented? Give the users the option to tag songs, like Last.fm does.
2. Although it’s better nowadays, flow is still sometimes very repetitive. I got it, Flow is not the place to go when I want to listen to an entirely new catalogue. But I why does Flow always plays the songs I have listened the most ever or been listening the most lately? I have 1800 favorite songs and a lot of them are gathering dust forgotten amidst series of favorite songs from the same artist or album (more probabilities of playing when shuffling).
3. Please, stop pushing lame compilation albums like “30 hits of summer 2006” or greatest hits albums. I want to know the artist’s catalog in the context of their albums. I bet that every other of us who (still) use the social network in a comma Last.fm still care for the tags they play and hate to see those greatest hit albums among our scrobbles.

Apart from that, I would like to know what is the effect of skipping a track on Flow. Sometimes it’s not an artist I don’t like, it’s just that I wouldn’t listen to them at that moment.

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About this, would be great if we could dislike an album on flow or on queue list.

I think it's s***. It plays liked tracks too often, instead of playing new ones that I might like. I thought "FLOW" was about discovering new tracks..

Don't know why many praise such a useless feature.