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Jaime.Deezer
Community Manager
Jaime.Deezer
Community Manager
August 1, 2021

Tip: Get the most out of FLOW

  • August 1, 2021
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Tip: Get the most out of FLOW

What is the reason that FLOW once again only offers unsuitable songs? How can you make FLOW better?

 

In the beginning there was… :baby_tone2:

FLOW is basically stupid at first and has to learn your own listening habits. In other words, at the beginning, the suggestions that appeal to the general public and maybe you yourself predominate. So everything is still very general, like on the radio.

Attention: FLOW will only appears if there are at least 15 artists in your own favorites!

 

But I'm not the general public… :couple::two_men_holding_hands::two_women_holding_hands:

That's great, then tell FLOW what you like and -most importantly- what you don't(!) like.

 

So let's let FLOW learn a little… :bulb::bulb::bulb:

Start FLOW and listen to a few suggested tracks.

Decide whether you like a track or not:

Track is not (yet) one of the favorite songs
Track was heartfelt by you and is therefore part of your favorite songs
With this evil face, you tell FLOW that you don't like the track. Use this button!

 

All right, but I don't just want to hear FLOW so that FLOW gets to know me!


Understandable. :selfie_tone2:

FLOW also learns, of course, if songs contained in ‘normal’ playlists receive a Like or a Dislike. In playlists, which in many cases already contain favorite songs, you can very easily and quickly like a whole batch:

 

Individual songs can also be easily disliked, e.g. in the current song :Notes: - click on the three dots:

And then on:

 

Can I also like/dislike more globally?

Yes and no. So not everything. :nerd:

Globally, artists and albums can get a Like/Dislike.

Genre cannot be controlled globally.

:information_source: Tip: Take a list of the genre that you don't like at all, e.g. Christmas. :santa_tone1: Then dislike all the tracks one by one. FLOW already knows that Christmas is not yours, you Grinch. :wink:

 

I have a few tracks in the favorite songs playlist, but FLOW still suggests a lot of unsuitable tracks.

FLOW has to constantly learn in order to become more precise and also better. There is currently a limit of 10,000 tracks for favorite songs.

:information_source: There is a display limit of 2,000 tracks for the excluded songs. Further tracks are not displayed, but still affect the FLOW. Especially the dislikes should be distributed wherever possible. Simply clicking on is not really enough. Only when FLOW knows what you don't like can really good stuff be offered in return.

 

Where can I see how many and which songs I already have on the dislike list?

Unfortunately, this is not visible in the smartphone apps.

But with the desktop and web version this is very easy: Click on your own profile name in the upper right corner and click on ‘Manage excluded tracks’.

Alternatively via these links:

Excluded tracks: https://www.deezer.com/exclusions/tracks

Excluded artists: https://www.deezer.com/exclusions/artists

 

My mood has changed...

That's not possible… Joking aside. :joy:

No problem at all! :thumbsup:

Heart :heart: simply previously excluded tracks or grab tracks from the list ‘Favorite songs’ list into the ‘Excluded tracks’ list.

FLOW then adapts very quickly. :white_check_mark:

 

It feels like FLOW only plays my favorites and nothing new...

Yes, FLOW sometimes has a bad day and makes it very easy for itself. :scream:

In most cases, however, the ratio should be: One or two new tracks on a favorite.

→ These are empirical values of the thread author. :relaxed:

 

Want to know more about FLOW? Read about its evolution here 👇

 

 

#OriginallyMadeInGermany | de.deezercommunity.

    22 replies

    Anonymous
    August 1, 2021

    What’s the ratio of favourites to new tracks on Flow? Is it about 50/50?

    I’ve not used Flow a lot so far, but when I have it was pretty good. 

      Anonymous
      August 1, 2021

      Is it about 50/50?

      Hi @Logan_A 

      Out of 100 songs i have around 50 favorites and around 40 new and good songs. The rest is crap. For me the ratio is okay, although the favorites could be a little less.

      My database consists of 50 runs since April 2021.

        Anonymous
        August 1, 2021

        Thanks @dee_dirk . That’s a pretty good percentage then if only about 10% are bad. 

        I love all the tips you’ve been doing this weekend, thanks for the time you’ve put in to help people enjoy Deezer to the max. 

         

          Rudi
          Ultimate Superstar
          Rudi
          Ultimate Superstar
          August 3, 2021

          Great tips @dee_dirk :clap_tone2:

          I'd also put some emphasis on skipping tracks. Skipping is also a good input to tame your little Flow to become a real beast! (quite confusing statement here)

            Guitar Hero
            Andrey Vasin
            Guitar Hero
            October 31, 2021

            @Rudi ,

            Yes, skipped tracks should go to the very end of possible playlist of the flow. I mean, that it not as disliked, but it should be as “I don't want ti listen it".

            You should understand that while listening music, people, usually, doing something else, and it is not always possible to tap the screen for liking or disliking songs. I skipp the songs from my BT devices. While the phone is in the pocket.

              Anonymous
              November 27, 2021

              In the German community, the question was asked whether flow is already being influenced simply by adding a playlist.

               

              If you put a Bible on the shelf, that doesn't mean that you know all the verses by heart.

              It's the same with playlists and flow. Just saving a playlist (= Bible on the shelf) does not affect the flow (= knowing verses by heart).

              If you add a playlist to your favorites, you will also hear the individual tracks. And Flow already knows what the user basically likes.

              Example:

              ‘Hot New Rock’ mainly contains songs from the genres ‘New Rock’ and ‘Rock’ → This is registered when the songs are played.

              If you listen to a song in its entirety, there is a small plus point.
              If you skip a title, there is a small minus point.

              If you listen to a song in its entirety and click on the heart, the plus point is weighted higher.
              If you listen to a song and click on Dislike, you will immediately jump to the next track = minus point is weighted higher.

              If you still listen to the songs from the ‘Hot New Rock’ playlist for several days, Flow will then serve you mostly material from the rock genres.

                Guitar Hero
                prx1213
                Guitar Hero
                December 5, 2021

                I seriously dislike how most of the tracks flow plays, are ones I already know.

                 

                MY flow seems to basically be all songs in my library played on shuffle, with rarely anything new. This normal?  Thanks in advance.

                Anonymous
                December 5, 2021

                Hey @prx1213 

                How satisfied are you with the flow cards?

                • Monday discovery
                • Friday releases
                • Sunday chill
                • daily Mixes

                Interacting with these lists makes your flow dance later. :slight_smile:

                  Mr. Jahrami
                  Hitmaker
                  Mr. Jahrami
                  Hitmaker
                  December 12, 2021

                  I think flow is repetitive, thing that I don’t like is that any new music you play, it will end up to your flow. Sometimes you need to listen to that music once in a blue moon, I wish there was a feature like YT music where you select the mood, then it breaks down to different mixes. 

                  Gimme that beat
                  Guitar Hero
                  prx1213
                  Guitar Hero
                  December 13, 2021

                  I think flow is repetitive, thing that I don’t like is that any new music you play, it will end up to your flow. Sometimes you need to listen to that music once in a blue moon, I wish there was a feature like YT music where you select the mood, then it breaks down to different mixes. 

                  agreed. I am very close to opting for TIDAL for the hifi, and the reccomendations are tons better. BUT. If deezer let you save lyrics offline, that'd win me over.

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