Hi all,
We wish to collect some of your feedback on Flow, that's why we are opening a new dedicated thread for you to share your feelings on this feature.
Do you like it? Why? What do you think we are missing?
Please be as detailed as you can in your comments, cheers!
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Userlevel 2
IT needs to circulate more (new) songs
Userlevel 7
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- The OG
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22 September 2021
I may use Spotify but I don’t come on here being negative about Deezer as I’m aware (as you were) the efforts they are making to make the product better on a weekly/monthly basis.
Enjoy your Dance music (whatever platform you’re listening on).
A
“as a Legend your were given a privilaged status which means your opinions need to be considered before being expressed - it’s about being professional.”
We do what they say to us.
That's NOT true. You are telling absolute falsehoods and dragging everything into the mud that you were recently enthusiastic about. You can't be serious!
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- Bezi since 2017
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5 June 2019
Just want to say I think FLOW improved A LOT in the last month or so . Finally I get to know new artists and the favorites pick is much wider .
Flow is awesome, that's what made me start paying for Deezer. I recently canceled my subscription and wanted to switch to Spotify but I came back because of flow. However, there are the things Flow and Deezer can do better.
2,000 favorite songs cap is too small. I already filled it up which means I can't like new songs to improve flow so I just block lots of artists I don't like instead which is not convenient at all. If you can't make it unlimited, you should at least level up with Spotify's 10,000 cap.
In flow, you can dislike a song but you can't dislike a song outside of flow, not even in flow generated playlists.
I recently started getting lots of Nigerian songs suggestions which is weird because I rarely listen to Nigerian songs. I guess your developers thought people will likely listen to popular songs in the country they live, well that's not always true so please stop suggesting Nigerian craps to me or give me an option to dislike all Nigerian songs, maybe not all but like 99%.
It'll be great to be able to dislike a whole genre. I love rap music but I'll like to dislike anything trap or mumble rap or whatever it's called and other genres I don't like.
I mostly listen to music when working or walking home so it's very inconvenient to click like or dislike button, it's usually easier to press the next button on a headphone. I believe it'll be better if flow considers songs I don't skip and ones that I skip within a few seconds (say 15-30 seconds) as possible likes and dislikes. I know it might not always be the case but I believe most times when someone skips a song within a few seconds, they just don't like that song.
Flow for genres and moods will be great. It'll still be the flow we all love but more streamlined.
Not exactly flow related but are we by any chance going to get a Linux app for Deezer? My friend and I wanted to make one but we realized your API doesn't include the link to the song, just 30 seconds preview 😥
2,000 favorite songs cap is too small. I already filled it up which means I can't like new songs to improve flow so I just block lots of artists I don't like instead which is not convenient at all. If you can't make it unlimited, you should at least level up with Spotify's 10,000 cap.
In flow, you can dislike a song but you can't dislike a song outside of flow, not even in flow generated playlists.
I recently started getting lots of Nigerian songs suggestions which is weird because I rarely listen to Nigerian songs. I guess your developers thought people will likely listen to popular songs in the country they live, well that's not always true so please stop suggesting Nigerian craps to me or give me an option to dislike all Nigerian songs, maybe not all but like 99%.
It'll be great to be able to dislike a whole genre. I love rap music but I'll like to dislike anything trap or mumble rap or whatever it's called and other genres I don't like.
I mostly listen to music when working or walking home so it's very inconvenient to click like or dislike button, it's usually easier to press the next button on a headphone. I believe it'll be better if flow considers songs I don't skip and ones that I skip within a few seconds (say 15-30 seconds) as possible likes and dislikes. I know it might not always be the case but I believe most times when someone skips a song within a few seconds, they just don't like that song.
Flow for genres and moods will be great. It'll still be the flow we all love but more streamlined.
Not exactly flow related but are we by any chance going to get a Linux app for Deezer? My friend and I wanted to make one but we realized your API doesn't include the link to the song, just 30 seconds preview 😥
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Flow is what got me to pay for Deezer. I tend to listen to so many genres that are generally considered incompatible. I felt like Spotify was thrown off by my musical taste and literally ended up suggesting any song under the sun. I was hating most songs and stopped using the platform altogether.
As others mentioned already, if you keep giving feedback to it about what you love and what you never want to hear again, it really learns and improves and the result is just amazing. I discovered so much music through flow and other discovery playlists so thank you guys for what you do. I also managed to convince my mother that flow is much better than the equivalent from Spotify and she actually swapped from Spotify to Deezer. She is very happy with her Flow playlist as well because every time she had the chance she actually gives feedback for the songs. It is also nice to do it so it gets saved in the favourites playlist if you ever forget what it was called.
Nice job guys, I wish more people actually tried Deezer so that the social features would actually be more useful.
Userlevel 3
+1
Sigh… having said that, it is now repeating like crazy. There must be thousands of tracks to choose from and it keeps playing the same ones.
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- The OG
- 2951 replies
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22 September 2021
I guess if they would cancel us, and everybody that publicly criticizes Deezer, then Deezer would stagnate for ever, and stop improving. They need us, even if they might never see it that way. Not only me criticizing them, but also all my great ideas that I posted in this forum. Unfortunately none of which are recognized and implemented by Deezer...
Deezer Legends aren't doing any work anyways. They are only doing free advertising for Deezer, in exchange for free of charge Deezer premium. They sold their souls basically. Shilling for Deezer all day in return for perks. I would never trust a Deezer Legend.
LOL - you don’t even know me, my life, who I am and what I do for job? A very naive comment.
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The Flow is crap. It just plays the same 40 favourited songs over and over. No music discovery, not even all of my over 600 favourited songs.
But then I tried "My music" and "Mix my music". And it's amazing! It plays all of my favourited songs, it plays other songs by the same artists, it plays random songs from my 250 favourited artists (which are not the same artists as when playing my favourited songs), and it HAS MUSIC DISCOVERY, playing good songs by bands I've never heard of.
So my advice to every Deezer user is this: "Ignore the Flow, use Mix My Music".
But then I tried "My music" and "Mix my music". And it's amazing! It plays all of my favourited songs, it plays other songs by the same artists, it plays random songs from my 250 favourited artists (which are not the same artists as when playing my favourited songs), and it HAS MUSIC DISCOVERY, playing good songs by bands I've never heard of.
So my advice to every Deezer user is this: "Ignore the Flow, use Mix My Music".
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Flow is the best thing in the market and I moved over from Spotify specifically because of it. However, it's only the best thing in the market because everything else sucks, not because it's excellent. I'm generally satisfied with it and I'm not pointing out any positives, because they've already been mentioned on other posts. So here's my two cents on how it could be better:
- Option to ban live albums completely. Especially unplugged ones. If I wanted a live performance, I'd go to a concert. Maybe the option to ban tags would be an even better idea (e.g. don't play music tagged with: live, reggae, Spanish)
- Set how many songs have to play before a given song repeats (I'd put at least 500 in mine given the option to do so). I really like Nothing Else Matters by Metallica, but I've ended up banning it from my flow because it played every 10 songs or so.
- This has already been pointed out, but it's an excellent idea, so I'm seconding it. The ability to choose % of unknown music that plays, e.g. I'd like at least 50% of songs that play to be outside of my favorites. I want to listen to new stuff, otherwise I'd just put a whole album from my favorites instead of flow. Since each person feels different about this, a slider would be optimal. The situation got so bad that I ended up removing all tracks from my favorites and just favored artists, because I'd keep listening to the same songs again and again and again and again.
- Even better, but that's something outside the scope of flow, would be a "SURPRISE ME" button that played a random (and by that I mean random) song from your whole database. Not something hard to do, just generate a random float (a Casio calculator can do that in microseconds) inside the scope of your index and play whatever is indexed at that number. Some of my favorite artists I've discovered by sheer luck, in a way that would be impossible the way Flow works (e.g. I'm usually a metal kind of guy, but fell in love with Infected Mushroom even though I generally dislike electronic music).
- Last but not least, I'd like the option to default to Flow, or to add a "play next" without leaving it. Sometimes I'm listening to Flow, and decide "know what? I could go for some Eminence Front by The Who right now". I'd like to tell Deezer to play that song, and return to my Flow right afterwards. Instead, I have to manually return to Flow, as choosing a song from the search function makes a playlist with all existent versions of that song, which is a behavior I'd wager a very small percentage of listeners would prefer.
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- Deezer Legend
- 884 replies
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8 July 2023
I wasn't aware this feature exists to be honest. I was already wondering why Deezer isn't throwing in any suggestions for me. Where can I find it?
Flow? You are unaware that Flow exists?
It is front and center on your home page, whether mobile or desktop.
Give it a go. Flow is deezer and deezer is Flow.
Userlevel 7
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- Deezer Legend
- 1269 replies
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10 July 2023
Flow is also available for free users, but you are only a member since end of March, so maybe you haven’t listened to enough music yet for the algorithm to recognise your taste, or you haven’t added enough artists, albums, tracks and playlists to your favorites yet which also helps. See also this support article:
The new mood or genre based Flow feature is new though and might still be rolling out to all users, so you may only have to wait for it a while.
Userlevel 1
For me the biggest problem with the Flow is that it too often plays the songs from the favorites - it really needs a simple switch specifying the percentage of favorites to be played. Also it shouldn't be hard coded when a favorite should be played, but should be random. So instead of: favorite, new, favorite, new, favorite, new, favorite, new could be for example (assuming keeping 50% favorites): new, new, new, favorite, new, favorite, favorite (in the example it's not 50% but in the long term it will be close enough, so the simplest code possible will suffice).
And currently when it does play a favorite it will be too often a song for "Favorite track" and not for example from "Albums". And it will repeat the same songs from favorites very often. With the simplest way of choosing songs from favorites (randomly choosing between songs from favorite tracks, albums, artists, playlists) it wouldn't happen, so there must be some code, on which most likely developers spent a lot of time, which is making me tired of the songs that I used to like.
Unlike some others, I really wouldn't like to listen to only a single genre in the Flow - currently it's working pretty well by diversifying what is played, and [usually] not playing nothing that I hate. But I do agree that as an option (may, or may not be a part of Flow) it would be useful. Actually adding the ability to create a Flow based on a playlist would magically solve the problems with the variety of options that users may want to be added - for example someone who wants to play 20% of jazz and 80% of classical music could simply create a playlist with 10 songs with these proportions. And it seems that it's very easy to implement - anyone could probably create a different account, add to favorites 10 songs with these proportions, push the Flow button, and probably would accomplish the required result. So while I have no idea what technical problems didn't allow so far to create a playlist based flow, it seems that creating a dummy account, with the duration of a Flow session, could solve these problems and reuse existing code without any change.
I feel that the daily music and the now removed “hear this” were far more helpful for finding music that I like.
Flow generally gives me much of the same music from my favorite music playlist, while that isn’t bad and I expect it, everything else seems far removed from what I listen to regularly. Every once in a while that’s a good thing but it’s consistently playing songs I don’t like, a top 40 every once in a while or something from a genre I rarely listen to, just to see if I might like it is acceptable. What i’m looking for is from artists similar to the artists I already listen to in the genres I prefer but haven’t heard their songs or something. I don’t just want super popular artists recommended to me because a lot of people like them. I don’t listen to them for a reason, it needs to go from always to every once in a while.
And about the disliking songs, I prefer not to do that and I wish there was a workaround. My tastes change over time and I think a lot of peoples do. For me that’s not an option, which is why refining how flow works seems like a better idea. Closer to what I listen to and less of what I rarely listen to. Less repetition, more reaching through the branches of similar artists and even same artists I haven’t heard every song from.
Userlevel 7
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would expect Flow to play different styles of music from my favorites, but it plays a style that I last listened to or added to my favorites. It doesn't play the favorite I added long time at all. Flow only remembers the last one played and does not follow the overall library, so I stopped listening to Flow. But I'm very comfortable with daily mixes.
Flow could be good but it's
- unpredictable (can't know what genre it's going to pick next)
- uncontrollable (I may not want loud music in the evenings for example)
- basically the only way to discover new music which makes people upset since everyone would expect Flow to do everything.
Userlevel 7
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Thanks @Noam Asulin
I've passed your feedback to the Flow team 🙂
I've passed your feedback to the Flow team 🙂
Userlevel 1
I used to be very happy with the Flow feature in the Android app. It used to serve me a mix of songs I had favourited and unfamiliar songs that the app believed I would like. I found lots and lots of new music that way.
About six months ago the Flow feature changed dramatically. It no longer mixes in any new suggestions. It doesn't even cycle through all my favourite songs. It just plays the same ~40 favourites over and over, even though I have favourited over 600 songs. I am super disappointed! The Discover and Inspired By features aren't anywhere near as good as the old algorithm.
About six months ago the Flow feature changed dramatically. It no longer mixes in any new suggestions. It doesn't even cycle through all my favourite songs. It just plays the same ~40 favourites over and over, even though I have favourited over 600 songs. I am super disappointed! The Discover and Inspired By features aren't anywhere near as good as the old algorithm.
I’m really tired to get always the same tracks in the Flow… Then I have to click on “don’t recommend me this track” even if I love it… BUT I DON’T WANT TO HEAR IT EVERY SINGLE TIME. Change your algorithm please. Or add a “I’m tired with this song” button that keep it away for 1 month.
We want to DISCOVER, not hear again.
We do? 
I mean, we surely do, but not all the time. Like I mentioned above, if I’m in the kitchen, I don’t want to keep going back to the PC to skip unwanted tracks or to add the discoveries I liked to my library. And the issue with genuine discovery is that you’re going to have many tracks you don’t like and have to skip - so not much of a “flow”. I’d rather keep most of the discoveries to the discovery playlist that we have now - or maybe additional discovery playlists if there’s a need in them.
When I was about to try Deezer, my biggest worry was that, after about3 years with other streaming services, I’d be “discovering” the same tracks I heard before. Turns out it’s not a problem - I’m hearing a lot of new music even in daily mixes, not just the discovery playlist. But there’s still a possibility that, after a while, the algorithm can start going in circles - just not the same circles as with other services. So the positive early impression, from Deezer or Spotify, might or might not last.
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- Deezer Legend
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7 May 2021
Well, my story is long, but lets say that it has two points:
- The first one was when 2k exists. I started playing songs in Deezer, using playlists,flows, mixes, until i had an error. Later, I knew it was because of the 2k limit. And I tried different things to avoid it: to begin with, i deleted all 2k songs and started from 0, adding only the best favorite songs ( i have best favorite songs and favorite songs, translated with stars, lets say 4 stars is favorite, and 5 stars are the best). My target was to go slowly, very slowly adding favorites ,making sure i couldn’t live without listening those , because if I could or I get bored , then, they weren’t really the best for me . I created playlist with the first letter of the song, but i filled them quickly. So my next step was to include a seccond letter of the song. As a result, i got more playlists and didn’t reach each 2k limit . I had some of them with 1 song. I knew Deezer’s flow works with your favorites songs,artists,albums….the problem was that i reached the limit in songs and artists, so Flow wasn’t going to improve. I started listening playlists, and also Radio when it was launched! Friends also recommended me songs, some of them from Deezer but the rest were from other streaming apps. In that case, i had to search them individually, or use songcatcher to identify and add them to one of my two letters playlists.
- The second point in my Deezer’s history was recently, when favorite limit increased. Then, things changed. I decided to remove my favorite songs library to start from 0 with Flow and I noticed, as others say here, that it played some songs one time and other and other. I was in freemium mode, which allows you to skip 6tracks per hour.
So imagine that i spent those 6 tracks per hour limit just with songs i had already listened to. And the funny thing is that after skipping , it could give me a new song or continue playing songs I had also listened, and what is worse, i couldn’t skip! . In other words, the free time i had, was spent by skipping songs and discovering 1,2,3 or 4 per day. Too slow and Flow wasn’t improved.
Then I took a decision. Listen again to some of the most popular playlists to add new songs to my favorite zone . Doing that, I kept most of the 6 skipped tracks per hour and only spent with songs i didn’t like. That worked and my library increased.After that, I started creating mixes from songs of my favorite section to discover new ones, until I realized after some time of adding most of them that they repeated themselves again!! Omg!! .
I returned to Flow and it was improved, not so many already-liked songs played together, it gave me new ones and I could breath, finally. Recently, my subscription was changed to HiFi and I’m able to skip already-liked songs and songs I don’t like. Making it faster for algorithm to know more about me.
So in conclusion, at the end, Flow understand me, or it seems from what I see. Definetly, new 10k limit will help to improve the system. Maybe you ask why I didn’t transfer songs from other streaming services to Deezer? Considering that i have 26k in some of them, as a result of years and years discovering music in different streaming services, and sending songs from one to another and from the another to the one.
Well, my answer is easy: if i had done that, then i would have filled 10k limit at the moment, and that means that i would have gone back to the first point: using again the playlist with 2 letters of the songs system and Flow would be, again, in a deadlock because I couldn’t add more songs!! It would have improved , of course, but taking into account that i have 26k favorite songs (approximately) and Deezer “only” accepted 10k, it would have lost the 16k remaining.
That’s one reason. The other one is that i want to see how many time (months,years) take me to reach 10k limit with songs I knew, and new ones! I want to enjoy again pressing heart icon one time and other and other, after years without doing so. And when I filled the 10k limit, and transfer to other streaming services (just to know how many songs in total i have, for playing i prefer Deezer, by far ! ), i’ll probably hit a new record.
By the way, playlists with the first two letters are still on my library. Sometimes i remove songs with heart iccon filled , as they are in favorite zone, and deleting from those playlists translates in that i will have more space in the future when i have to return to this system: having 10k favorite songs + ( 2letters playlists * nº of songs in each one)
For now, i added 1914 songs and increasing...
Well, my story is long, but lets say that it has two points:
- The first one was when 2k exists. I started playing songs in Deezer, using playlists,flows, mixes, until i had an error. Later, I knew it was because of the 2k limit. And I tried different things to avoid it: to begin with, i deleted all 2k songs and started from 0, adding only the best favorite songs ( i have best favorite songs and favorite songs, translated with stars, lets say 4 stars is favorite, and 5 stars are the best). My target was to go slowly, very slowly adding favorites ,making sure i couldn’t live without listening those , because if I could or I get bored , then, they weren’t really the best for me . I created playlist with the first letter of the song, but i filled them quickly. So my next step was to include a seccond letter of the song. As a result, i got more playlists and didn’t reach each 2k limit . I had some of them with 1 song. I knew Deezer’s flow works with your favorites songs,artists,albums….the problem was that i reached the limit in songs and artists, so Flow wasn’t going to improve. I started listening playlists, and also Radio when it was launched! Friends also recommended me songs, some of them from Deezer but the rest were from other streaming apps. In that case, i had to search them individually, or use songcatcher to identify and add them to one of my two letters playlists.
- The second point in my Deezer’s history was recently, when favorite limit increased. Then, things changed. I decided to remove my favorite songs library to start from 0 with Flow and I noticed, as others say here, that it played some songs one time and other and other. I was in freemium mode, which allows you to skip 6tracks per hour.
So imagine that i spent those 6 tracks per hour limit just with songs i had already listened to. And the funny thing is that after skipping , it could give me a new song or continue playing songs I had also listened, and what is worse, i couldn’t skip! . In other words, the free time i had, was spent by skipping songs and discovering 1,2,3 or 4 per day. Too slow and Flow wasn’t improved.
Then I took a decision. Listen again to some of the most popular playlists to add new songs to my favorite zone . Doing that, I kept most of the 6 skipped tracks per hour and only spent with songs i didn’t like. That worked and my library increased.After that, I started creating mixes from songs of my favorite section to discover new ones, until I realized after some time of adding most of them that they repeated themselves again!! Omg!! .
I returned to Flow and it was improved, not so many already-liked songs played together, it gave me new ones and I could breath, finally. Recently, my subscription was changed to HiFi and I’m able to skip already-liked songs and songs I don’t like. Making it faster for algorithm to know more about me.
So in conclusion, at the end, Flow understand me, or it seems from what I see. Definetly, new 10k limit will help to improve the system. Maybe you ask why I didn’t transfer songs from other streaming services to Deezer? Considering that i have 26k in some of them, as a result of years and years discovering music in different streaming services, and sending songs from one to another and from the another to the one.
Well, my answer is easy: if i had done that, then i would have filled 10k limit at the moment, and that means that i would have gone back to the first point: using again the playlist with 2 letters of the songs system and Flow would be, again, in a deadlock because I couldn’t add more songs!! It would have improved , of course, but taking into account that i have 26k favorite songs (approximately) and Deezer “only” accepted 10k, it would have lost the 16k remaining.
That’s one reason. The other one is that i want to see how many time (months,years) take me to reach 10k limit with songs I knew, and new ones! I want to enjoy again pressing heart icon one time and other and other, after years without doing so. And when I filled the 10k limit, and transfer to other streaming services (just to know how many songs in total i have, for playing i prefer Deezer, by far ! ), i’ll probably hit a new record.
By the way, playlists with the first two letters are still on my library. Sometimes i remove songs with heart iccon filled , as they are in favorite zone, and deleting from those playlists translates in that i will have more space in the future when i have to return to this system: having 10k favorite songs + ( 2letters playlists * nº of songs in each one)
For now, i added 1914 songs and increasing...
I enjoyed reading it, thanks!
I used too Freemium for my first day which was 29.06.2019, and I was not happy with this 6 time skip, so I bought annual Premium. After it ends I will get Hifi Family from Deezer to try new stuff.
My Deezer has 2010 favourite tracks right now :)
You nailed it big time!!!
In the middle of my hard dance session on FLOW it can go from dancecore to soft dance and from soft dance to industrial rough hardcore and from that it can go to raw hardstyle. I mean all music is decent, but it plays with no thinking. It’s like not related, not flawless. I wish they make it more professional flow, like it could play at least in themes, and change from that to genres.
5 tracks in this genre, 10 tracks in that, and 6 tracks in another based on taste.
Flow should be with options prefer this genre, exclude that. Instant skipping should make it less available on Flow. More options to make flow yours, not theirs. Much appreciated.
Some tracks I skip on FLOW in seconds and Deezer still plays them.
Ban option I do not use, because it may suggest still this track as different version etc.
I just started using Deezer today but, so far, I am really liking Flow. It is doing a good job of finding music I like. I am unsure how Flow continues to take influence from additional music I like. Perhaps there can be a way to see what is influencing Your Flow with ways to remove or add additional influences.
I have not tried Deezer in the car yet so I may have additional feedback after I do that.
Thanks for making a generally awesome service.
I have not tried Deezer in the car yet so I may have additional feedback after I do that.
Thanks for making a generally awesome service.
I’ve noticed something about flow that is getting a tad annoying.
I have a lot of favorited albums, but not many favorited specific tracks. Flow seems to only want to play the first track of a given favorited album, which seems like an odd decision to me — doubly so because a not insignificant percentage of first tracks are intros or preludes. There’s a whole tracklist’s worth of stuff to choose from, flow! I believe in you!
Flow might be choosing album tracks based on popularity, since it’s only logical that tracks will get less popular the later in a given album you go. If this is the case, I would encourage a little more adventurism in this department.
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