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January 16, 2019

[FEEDBACK] What do you think of "Flow"?

  • January 16, 2019
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Hi all,

We wish to collect some of your feedback on Flow, that's why we are opening a new dedicated thread for you to share your feelings on this feature.

Do you like it? Why? What do you think we are missing?

Please be as detailed as you can in your comments, cheers!
Pinned Reply By hpguru

I was also at first disappointed with the recommendations, but you need to learn Flow.  Play play play, everything you love and give hearts to your favorite songs and playlists and albums, add as many of your favorite artists and play play play and ban artists you don't like and Flow will soon catch your note.  I am very satisfied.  But you have to make friends and devote time to it.

Yes, indeed. Let it learn.

On first day lame, now it is much better than Google’s Feeling lucky which was okay, but always played same favourites over and over and over again. On Deezer I hear new tracks, new favorites, old classics over and over and over again. Today I paid ONE YEAR in advance for this great service.

Pay 10 months and get 12 months is their annual discount. I paid years for Spottily and then GPM receiving no discounts for loyalty. This is my new home for hard dance music since 29.06.20.

They gave me option to keep 2 months I already had trial. They suggested next time I need to cancel with them, go free, and buy annual again with discounted prices unless they give better ways.

I like flow, I like mixes, this service is good bargain at 99,90 a year for this amazing quality.

It works like a charm when something is great.

This is great, worth to pay.

354 replies

Rudi
Ultimate Superstar
Ultimate Superstar
May 6, 2021

Firstly, thanks a lot for the feedback, super nice @Hizium 

Secondly, it is normal because Flow will base your tastes on songs, primarily. If you like more and more songs from the same artist, perhaps it's best to favourite the whole artist in your library :relaxed:

walker
Hitmaker
Hitmaker
May 6, 2021

Well, my story is long, but lets say that it has two points:
 

  • The first one was when 2k exists. I started playing songs in Deezer, using playlists,flows, mixes, until i had an error. Later, I knew it was because of the 2k limit. And I tried different things to avoid it: to begin with, i deleted all 2k songs and started from 0, adding only the best favorite songs ( i have best favorite songs and favorite songs, translated with stars, lets say 4 stars is favorite, and 5 stars are the best). My target was to go slowly, very slowly adding favorites ,making sure i couldn’t live without listening those , because if I could or I get bored , then, they weren’t really the best for me . I created playlist with the first letter of the song, but i filled them quickly. So my next step was to include a seccond letter of the song. As a result, i got more playlists and didn’t reach each 2k limit . I had some of them with 1 song. I knew Deezer’s flow works with your favorites songs,artists,albums….the problem was that i reached the limit in songs and artists, so Flow wasn’t going to improve. I started listening playlists, and also Radio when it was launched! Friends also recommended me songs, some of them from Deezer but the rest were from other streaming apps. In that case, i had to search them individually, or use songcatcher to identify and add them to one of my two letters playlists.
     
  • The second point in my Deezer’s history was recently, when favorite limit increased. Then, things changed. I decided to remove my favorite songs library to start from 0 with Flow and I noticed, as others say here, that it played some songs one time and other and other. I was in freemium mode, which allows you to skip 6tracks per hour.

    So imagine that i spent those 6 tracks per hour limit just with songs i had already listened to. And the funny thing is that after skipping , it could give me a new song or continue playing songs I had also listened, and what is worse, i couldn’t skip! . In other words, the free time i had, was spent by skipping songs and discovering 1,2,3 or 4 per day. Too slow and Flow wasn’t improved.

    Then I took a decision. Listen again to some of the most popular playlists to add new songs to my favorite zone . Doing that, I kept most of the 6 skipped tracks per hour  and only spent with songs i didn’t like. That worked and my library increased.After that, I started creating mixes from songs of my favorite section to discover new ones, until I realized after some time of adding most of them that they repeated themselves again!! Omg!! .

    I returned to Flow and it was improved, not so many already-liked songs played together, it gave me new ones and I could breath, finally. Recently, my subscription was changed to HiFi and I’m able to skip already-liked songs and songs I don’t like. Making it faster for algorithm to know more about me.

So in conclusion, at the end, Flow understand me, or it seems from what I see. Definetly, new 10k limit will help to improve the system. Maybe you ask why I didn’t transfer songs from other streaming services to Deezer? Considering that i have 26k in some of them, as a result of years and years discovering music in different streaming services, and sending songs from one to another and from the another to the one.

Well, my answer is easy: if i had done that, then i would have filled 10k limit at the moment, and that means that i would have  gone back to the first point: using again the playlist with 2 letters of the songs system and Flow would be, again,  in a deadlock because I couldn’t add more songs!! It would have improved , of course, but taking into account that i have 26k favorite songs (approximately) and Deezer “only” accepted 10k, it would have lost the 16k remaining.

That’s one reason. The other one is that i want to see how many time (months,years) take me to reach 10k limit with songs I knew, and new ones! I want to enjoy again pressing heart icon one time and other and other, after years without doing so. And when I filled the 10k limit, and transfer to other streaming services (just to know how many songs in total i have, for playing i prefer Deezer, by far ! ), i’ll probably hit a new record.

By the way, playlists with the first two letters are still on my library. Sometimes i remove songs with heart iccon filled , as they are in favorite zone, and deleting from those playlists translates in that i will have more space in the future when i have to return to this system: having 10k favorite songs + ( 2letters playlists * nº of songs in each one)

For now, i added 1914 songs and increasing...

Astell&Kern Norma SR15 + Sennheiser Momentum M2 AEG + Sennheiser HD 598 + Sony WH-1000XM2 + Sony WF-1000xm4 + own 2249 Hi-Fi/-Res Tracks + Deezer Freemium. Let's play!
Ultimate Superstar
May 7, 2021

Well, my story is long, but lets say that it has two points:
 

  • The first one was when 2k exists. I started playing songs in Deezer, using playlists,flows, mixes, until i had an error. Later, I knew it was because of the 2k limit. And I tried different things to avoid it: to begin with, i deleted all 2k songs and started from 0, adding only the best favorite songs ( i have best favorite songs and favorite songs, translated with stars, lets say 4 stars is favorite, and 5 stars are the best). My target was to go slowly, very slowly adding favorites ,making sure i couldn’t live without listening those , because if I could or I get bored , then, they weren’t really the best for me . I created playlist with the first letter of the song, but i filled them quickly. So my next step was to include a seccond letter of the song. As a result, i got more playlists and didn’t reach each 2k limit . I had some of them with 1 song. I knew Deezer’s flow works with your favorites songs,artists,albums….the problem was that i reached the limit in songs and artists, so Flow wasn’t going to improve. I started listening playlists, and also Radio when it was launched! Friends also recommended me songs, some of them from Deezer but the rest were from other streaming apps. In that case, i had to search them individually, or use songcatcher to identify and add them to one of my two letters playlists.
     
  • The second point in my Deezer’s history was recently, when favorite limit increased. Then, things changed. I decided to remove my favorite songs library to start from 0 with Flow and I noticed, as others say here, that it played some songs one time and other and other. I was in freemium mode, which allows you to skip 6tracks per hour.

    So imagine that i spent those 6 tracks per hour limit just with songs i had already listened to. And the funny thing is that after skipping , it could give me a new song or continue playing songs I had also listened, and what is worse, i couldn’t skip! . In other words, the free time i had, was spent by skipping songs and discovering 1,2,3 or 4 per day. Too slow and Flow wasn’t improved.

    Then I took a decision. Listen again to some of the most popular playlists to add new songs to my favorite zone . Doing that, I kept most of the 6 skipped tracks per hour  and only spent with songs i didn’t like. That worked and my library increased.After that, I started creating mixes from songs of my favorite section to discover new ones, until I realized after some time of adding most of them that they repeated themselves again!! Omg!! .

    I returned to Flow and it was improved, not so many already-liked songs played together, it gave me new ones and I could breath, finally. Recently, my subscription was changed to HiFi and I’m able to skip already-liked songs and songs I don’t like. Making it faster for algorithm to know more about me.

So in conclusion, at the end, Flow understand me, or it seems from what I see. Definetly, new 10k limit will help to improve the system. Maybe you ask why I didn’t transfer songs from other streaming services to Deezer? Considering that i have 26k in some of them, as a result of years and years discovering music in different streaming services, and sending songs from one to another and from the another to the one.

Well, my answer is easy: if i had done that, then i would have filled 10k limit at the moment, and that means that i would have  gone back to the first point: using again the playlist with 2 letters of the songs system and Flow would be, again,  in a deadlock because I couldn’t add more songs!! It would have improved , of course, but taking into account that i have 26k favorite songs (approximately) and Deezer “only” accepted 10k, it would have lost the 16k remaining.

That’s one reason. The other one is that i want to see how many time (months,years) take me to reach 10k limit with songs I knew, and new ones! I want to enjoy again pressing heart icon one time and other and other, after years without doing so. And when I filled the 10k limit, and transfer to other streaming services (just to know how many songs in total i have, for playing i prefer Deezer, by far ! ), i’ll probably hit a new record.

By the way, playlists with the first two letters are still on my library. Sometimes i remove songs with heart iccon filled , as they are in favorite zone, and deleting from those playlists translates in that i will have more space in the future when i have to return to this system: having 10k favorite songs + ( 2letters playlists * nº of songs in each one)

For now, i added 1914 songs and increasing...

I enjoyed reading it, thanks!

I used too Freemium for my first day which was 29.06.2019, and I was not happy with this 6 time skip, so I bought annual Premium. After it ends I will get Hifi Family from Deezer to try new stuff.

My Deezer has 2010 favourite tracks right now :)

Mr. Jahrami
Hitmaker
Hitmaker
June 5, 2021

Still, the recommendations should be more accurate, like launching track mix of a specific song should give more similarities, more work needs to be done here. 
I’m not saying that those mixes are so bad but comparing to other streaming platforms, I think deezer comes third in terms of playing similar songs after Spotify and YouTube music. 
 

Cheers. 

Gimme that beat
Ultimate Superstar
June 5, 2021

Still, the recommendations should be more accurate, like launching track mix of a specific song should give more similarities, more work needs to be done here. 
I’m not saying that those mixes are so bad but comparing to other streaming platforms, I think deezer comes third in terms of playing similar songs after Spotify and YouTube music. 
 

Cheers. 

FLOW will be improved at some point later. Thank you.

Guitar Hero
June 7, 2021

Hello.

I enjoyed Flow until this evening. I wonder if there was a sudden and major change in algorithm.

I listen to post rock / indie / britpop. I have some two dozen artists and 400+ favourite tracks that accurately reflect my preferences. 

Suddenly today Flow started offering me chains of similar songs that may be nice but don’t interest me very much, or worse. First it was synth pop, some very well known major hits that I note but wouldn’t want to listen to one by one. Then suddenly it started giving me modern hits that I truly hate, and I had to dislike these. Then some songs that I’m used to. Then it went terribly wrong again: it gave me a chain with Metallica / Nirvana / Queen etc., their hits that I never liked, never had a single track of these artists before, and I was quite satisfied not to have these artists in Flow. I never gave any hints that I wanted any of these tracks. 

Very strange that the tracks Flow started to offer today were similar while Flow used to be diverse.

My list of disliked tracks / unwanted artists seems to have doubled within an hour.

The latest playlist I clicked on was post rock. Tried a new album by James, no tracks added to favourites from it. No new tracks added to favourites in two weeks.

Flow used to be really accurate.

Any idea what may have happened?

If this trend persists I’ll have to stop using the service.

Guitar Hero
June 7, 2021

Hello.

I enjoyed Flow until this evening. I wonder if there was a sudden and major change in algorithm.

I listen to post rock / indie / britpop. I have some two dozen artists and 400+ favourite tracks that accurately reflect my preferences. 

Suddenly today Flow started offering me chains of similar songs that may be nice but don’t interest me very much, or worse. First it was synth pop, some very well known major hits that I note but wouldn’t want to listen to one by one. Then suddenly it started giving me modern hits that I truly hate, and I had to dislike these. Then some songs that I’m used to. Then it went terribly wrong again: it gave me a chain with Metallica / Nirvana / Queen etc., their hits that I never liked, never had a single track of these artists before, and I was quite satisfied not to have these artists in Flow. I never gave any hints that I wanted any of these tracks. 

Very strange that the tracks Flow started to offer today were similar while Flow used to be diverse.

My list of disliked tracks / unwanted artists seems to have doubled within an hour.

The latest playlist I clicked on was post rock. Tried a new album by James, no tracks added to favourites from it. No new tracks added to favourites in two weeks.

Flow used to be really accurate.

Any idea what may have happened?

If this trend persists I’ll have to stop using the service.

Same thing here. I have about 80 metal and prog artists fed into it and it keeps giving me just nothing that I want. I am literally skipping about 12 songs in a row to hear something I want :(

And on Saturday it seemed to have been significantly better playing a bunch of stuff that I was loving and at a significantly better variety than I’ve previously seen.

I dont know if you are messing with the algorithm without telling anyone but I’m going to cancel if this keeps up as this is my work radio and the reason I’ve been using Deezer :(

Guitar Hero
June 8, 2021

Strangely enough it reverted back to normal. Possibly it was broken and didn’t take my favourites into account yesterday. Ugh, that was so horrendous.

Guitar Hero
June 8, 2021

Strangely enough it reverted back to normal. Possibly it was broken and didn’t take my favourites into account yesterday. Ugh, that was so horrendous.

Same here again. Thank god, I hate 90s nu metal and after the 4th limp bizkit song (just ewwww) I had to skip yesterday I thought they messed up flow royally. The worst part is flow could definitely use some massive improvements (stop picking the same few songs from each artist), but whatever happpened yesterday was the worst.

Guitar Hero
June 9, 2021

Feed has been amazing today, hearing lots of new things and haven’t heard any of my old repeats. Dont know if this is helping, but I’m about to upgrade my trial to the HiFi plan and switch away from Spotify completely mostly for Flow, so I’m a bit personally invested haha.