You know, I saw this yesterday just after reading an article from some US rag about alternative services to Spotify. Deezer was listed as having a decent catalog although not as big as Spotify with only some of them available in HiFi. This is a common comment I see and Deezer is often not listed as an option at all, whereas some smaller servixes are. I suspect Deezer's US user rate is very low and suggest that Deezer put a bit of effort into marketing their service there. 

The problem is, however, that you got rid of regional differences in many countries, especially poor countries like mine. Money’s value is not the same everywhere. It’s the only service that doesn’t consider these differences now. Back then you did, but now you don’t. You used to be a very progressive service.

I can only speak to my circle here in the US, but generally speaking, no one here has heard of any other alternatives. People here get Apple Music or Spotify, or occasionally YouTube Music if they are a heavy YouTube user. They get what their friends have.

Ask the average American about Tidal, deezer, or Qobuz and they will tell you they’ve never heard of them. And most users (although likely true most places, not just the US), have no clue about HiFi and couldn’t tell you what format or streaming rate their service offers. They just pull out their phone and their earbuds and press play.

I recently read that deezer is at 14 million subscribers, up from 7 million, so they must be doing something right, somewhere. Tidal is reportedly bleeding $50 a year, struggling with around 2 million subscribers (no one really knows), and we all know about Spotify’s troubles.

Long way of saying that I’m not sure if advertising in the US would help, I guess.

As an audiophile my sense is that most people who are interested in HiFi (ie not your average Joe) have not only heard of Tidal and Qobuz but have or had one or the other, with some jumping off to Apple Music. Only some articles written about HiFi streaming options even mention Deezer and most of them have their facts wrong. As for the subscribers I’d be interested to know these numbers myself. I thought Deezer had about 14M subscribers altogether, with about 7M of them actually paying for the service.

I don’t have the sources right now at hand but I have them somewhere, but if you look for data (probably on Statista), you’ll see that people in the US use Youtube, Spotify, Apple, Youtube Music, Pandora and iHeart before Deezer. So yeah, there’s not much people using it. Even in France it’s the third most used service below Youtube and Spotify.

Deezer is a cool service but after the price hike, I don’t think the majority won’t accept it. HiFi is not a big deal to most people.. 

For many people who were on Premium, the price adjustment in nominal, a couple pounds. For those who were paying for HiFi, in some cases the price drops.

HiFi is standard for the industry now (except for Spotify, of course) and while I agree that it’s not a big deal to most people, many also don’t want to feel like they aren’t getting what everyone else has.

Subscriber numbers for all services seem evasive, but the latest info still puts deezer ahead of its (realistic) competition. 

Maybe a bit of topic, but I started Premium Annual in November 2021. But in the mail I received it still shows that Deezer has 53 million songs.

I think it is time to update the mail (see screenshot in Dutch).

Your "many people" is very relative. Around the world the price raise was double or even more. Prices are different around the world. Besides, it's hard to say hifi is the standard when Spotify is the industry leader by much and YouTube doesn't have it either. So no. It's not the standard. Deezer may have raised the price slightly in some countries like the UK or the US, but in most countries (Latin America, several countries in Europe, Africa, and many countries in Asia) the price went double or more.

“many people’ is a relative term and that’s why I used it. I didn’t write “all” or “most” or “the majority.”

Just because Spotify and YouTube aren’t streaming in HiFi doesn’t mean it isn’t the standard. Maybe it’s a language thing, but “standard” means the norm. When the majority of streaming services are streaming in HiFi, it becomes the norm, or the standard. 

You arguments here focus on operational definitions of terms with no substance whatsoever as to the actual focus of my comments, and you attempt to refute statements I never made.

It seems as if you’re frustrated, but please point that elsewhere.

Cheers,

G

I don't think it's the standard when the vast majority of users in the world don't use it