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November 6, 2017
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Who is the composer? >> Improved labelling of Music

  • November 6, 2017
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The classical music albums would need much better labeling, please. As music lovers yourself, you certainly appreciate how finding the classical music is greatly improved with good labeling. In practice, they need a different data set than your run-of-the-mill popular music albums.

Take an example: album Mutterissimo (https://www.deezer.com/us/album/14780657), track 1. Which concerto are we listening to, please? I.e. a critical piece of information is missing, the composer.

Take another example: Alfred Bendel Plays Beethoven Volume 3 (https://www.deezer.com/us/album/6462183). This definitely ought to be listed under 'Beethoven, Ludwig van'. If, for some reason, you have to reference the soloist, wouldn't that also be more logical under 'Brendel' than 'Alfred'?

69 replies

Guitar Hero
April 19, 2019
Please fix this.


I agree—this needs fixing.
Rudi
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Ultimate Superstar
April 21, 2019
Hi there @aficionado

I agree with you. Please vote for the improvement here!
tdimdadAuthor
Guitar Hero
May 12, 2019
I'm starting to report these now as problems and I'd recommend everyone does this, too (in the web interface and album page, go to the "three dots" for this). It's a different approach to being nice and raising it here as a key improvement suggestion.

If the management opt to ignore valuable suggestions, the reporting problems will force the company to react to each and every issue raised individually. Whether they fix it or not is up to them but each album we raise with them has a cost (that funding would be much better used to improve the underlying service instead of tweaking with fonts, navigation menus and the app interface, just saying...).

At the same time, I've been gradually testing Spotify. Their collection and curation seems to be better controlled and thought out.
Guitar Hero
August 20, 2019
When you open the popup menu of any track and click the "See contributors" option, it shows the composer. But, as a classical music listener, for me it would be very useful to show the composer's name directly in the track listing, as Spotify does. Maybe only for classical music, or in the cases the composer is different from the album's artist.
Roadie
September 30, 2019
The lack of composer details on albums featuring more than one composer is a serious issue for classical music listeners. Spotify has it and I am considering a switch to them for this reason. If staff at Deezer are too busy to do this, then maybe I can suggest an edit facility where listeners/subscribers can add limited information to an album. This may be useful in correcting wrongly credited albums too.

I have also noticed some omissions, namely Thomas Larcher's ecm recording of Schubert and Schoenberg has the final track missing. It is present on other sites.

Dominique Pifarely's ecm album Trace Provisoire is not here at all that I can see. Again, this is present on other sites.

And finally..... can we have an option to remove the gap between tracks? On albums that originally played continuously a sudden silence between tracks is disconcerting and annoying. An example would be Time is the Key by Pierre Moerlens Gong, where the first four pieces should play continuously, not stop briefly.
Rafael.
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Ultimate Superstar
October 9, 2019
Hi there, we are already working on it! But it might take a little while to make sure everything looks good! Thanks everyone for voting!!!
Rafael.
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Ultimate Superstar
October 9, 2019
Hi there, we're working right now on improving this! Hopefully in the next couple of months it will be way better! Thanks for your patience and feedback!
Roadie
October 21, 2019

Everyone talks about improving labeling for classical music, but nothing has happened for months and years. Some changes may be complicated, but there is one thing you can do easily: show the composer's name in compilations! If I get the title "Prelude D major" and I can not see if it's a work by Bach, Kittel, Rinck, Chopin or whoever, the information is completely useless to me. It can not be that difficult to solve at least this simple problem. Spotify can do it, why not Deezer?

Worse, there is not even a working search for composer names. For example, when I search for "Franz Tunder", I get tons of pop songs that contain the word "thunder". At some point, individual works by Franz Tunder will appear, but only occasionally and on albums, where the album title contains the composer’s name, but not on albums containing works by different composers. Again, Spotify can do it better: the search for composer names (also rare ones such as Franz Tunder) is usually interpreted correctly, although there is no provision for a specific search for composers.

For people who also or primarily listen to classical music, Deezer is almost unusable - and this, even though relatively unknown composers and works in principle are available. But what's the value if I can not find it, without having researched the corresponding recordings previously in Google?

As a first step: show composer names! If that does not happen very soon, I'll switch to another provider. As a second step: Allow the targeted search for composer names!

Rudi
Ultimate Superstar
Ultimate Superstar
October 23, 2019

Hi there @marpurg 

Thank you for your honest feedback and support. This has been a recurring frustration in our app but we're planning it. I can assure you it hasn't been prioritised for this year, as we have more demanding features coming through. But our product managers and devs are aware of this shortcoming. We've got a dedicated team working on all metadata and we've introduced credits to the tracks. But we know your suggestion is essentially how we'd get this right. The display of songs in our Classical catalogue needs to improve and we'll continue to have this in the pipeline. Thank you for your understanding. 

November 24, 2019

Classical music requires a well thought out metadata scheme. It cannot just be shoved in the standard pop music format title-artist-album. Most serious classical music listeners have programs that can handle any custom metadata scheme and are used to take full advantage of that while searching. I’m glad to hear that the devs are working on it, but saddened that it took so long and some carpet bombing from a musician to get Deezer started. I hope you make good progress, and, please, make sure search works properly more than that it “looks good.”

 

Best!