pls fix !!!!!!
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shuffle isn't RANDOM... it always repeats a pattern of songs
random isn't patterns !!!
pls fix !!!!!!
pls fix !!!!!!
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Hi,
I have a similar experience that neither shuffle nor flow is good at sampling from a large range of songs.
The “daily” lists are the same every day---that doesn’t seem to make much sense, either.
Moreover, the order of a shuffled list appears the same every time (it wouldn’t be a very good thing if you would shuffle a deck of playing cards this way).
These effects are especially strong on Google Home music infrastructure, in fact, the “shuffle” icon disappears immediately once you cast the playlist to the Google Home, so I guess that that infrastructure doesn’t have native shuffling. And when your playlist is already in “shuffled” order, it is in always the same (shuffled) order. You would want shuffling to take shuffling seriously, and shuffle the list at runtime in a different order with uniform prior over the songs, each time you switch to shuffled mode. Every programming environment has access to a reasonably good random number generator that can be initialized with a unique seed.
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It'll get some serious improvements this year 
stay tuned, and for now, thank you for your feedback!
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Pretty sure FLOW does the same thing, it's not random at all and is beginning to annoy even though I like most of the song it plays.
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That, for the time being, can be an excellent workaround, 
I think shuffle is generate only one time and it will remain the same, as long as you still play the same album or playlist.
If you want to re-shuffle, play a song that is not in the playlist. then get back to the playlist and play again.
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Very valuable indeed 
Thanks for the feedback
Fair point! Could you please let us know in what device and app feature you're experiencing this?
Hi,
I have a playlist I am listening to while running on my mobile.
I just play that playlist using the “random” option: the playlist contains 90+ songs.
Unfortunately, in order for this feedback to be complete I should provide more comprehensive statistics. I’m going to monitor more closely the playing patterns of that playlist and report back
Your feedback is really valuable for Deezer to improve.
They are navigating and collecting it here, so keep posting. I do that posting too.
Thanks for the feedback
Fair point! Could you please let us know in what device and app feature you're experiencing this?
Hi,
I have a playlist I am listening to while running on my mobile.
I just play that playlist using the “random” option: the playlist contains 90+ songs.
Unfortunately, in order for this feedback to be complete I should provide more comprehensive statistics. I’m going to monitor more closely the playing patterns of that playlist and report back
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Thanks for the feedback
Fair point! Could you please let us know in what device and app feature you're experiencing this?
I’ve been a Deezer Premium user for about two months and overall I like it but I can’t but second this tread’s general opinion that the Shuffle feature is not working as expected. Actually it just sucks
I’m using on my own list of favorites while jogging, initially I thought the list was still too short (~80 songs as I was transitioning from the lousy Youtube Music) but now I’ve got around triple that size and I’m still presented with the 10 or 20 songs I’ve added in the beginning.
You should really fix it.
Thanks
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Thanks for the feedback, Steve
It shuffles all tracks basically, not artists. You see, you can favourite an artist but not like all tracks - they can be recommended to you via Flow or mixes, then you can tell the app if you want to favourite them or not.
But Shuffle My Music is different, it's the specific tracks you marked as favourites.
Have a great end of the year! 
Everyone at Deezer is working super hard to please us.
Well, that’s alright, then. What a relief.
Thanks!
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Shuffle My Music ... does not include artists who have been favourited in your library
What?? Seriously?? Your whole artist catalogue is IGNORED when shuffling music??
What genius decided that that was a good idea?
That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard since someone told me that Donald Trump would make a good president.
OF COURSE, shuffling music should include the artists you’ve added to your favourites. That is bleeding obvious.
Hi there, it’s a music service, not the key to ending world hunger. Keep some perspective, relax and perhaps be a bit more polite. Everyone at Deezer is working super hard to please us.
I’ve only been a member for 5 months and all I can say is: good luck getting Apple or Spotify to listen to individual users and implement their feature requests and improvements.
Shuffle My Music ... does not include artists who have been favourited in your library
What?? Seriously?? Your whole artist catalogue is IGNORED when shuffling music??
What genius decided that that was a good idea?
That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard since someone told me that Donald Trump would make a good president.
OF COURSE, shuffling music should include the artists you’ve added to your favourites. That is bleeding obvious.
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Yes
If you're referring to the Shuffle My Music button option, yes. That does not include artists who have been favourited in your library 
There's a discussion going on about this. But I'm unable to provide you with more details at this stage. That's why I really appreciated your comments on the subject because it adds value to the discussion.
... this counts everything except artists (playlists, albums, tracks).
Do you mean that Shuffle does not refer to any artists I’ve favourite-d when playing and only looks at playlists and favourite-d albums and tracks?
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Thanks for the honesty
If you were using the Shuffle My Music option in your favourites, this counts everything except artists (playlists, albums, tracks). Thanks to your feedback our teams are discussing different approaches to this 
… have you tried to select a mood on Flow?
Yes, I did try to try that but it kinda didn’t give me any choices that made sense.
Anyway, I’ve cancelled my annual Premium subscription. I might check in again in a year or so. But today was the end for me; virtually every 4th or 5th song was R.E.M. I like R.E.M. - quite a lot - but it makes zero sense that a shuffle algorithm can throw up one artist out of 200 20% of the time. Seems a bit sus to me.
Good luck!
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Yeah, but the good thing is that it's actually fine-tuning for your taste
Thanks for the feedback!
Shuffling playlists for me it actually works well, yay!
Flow and daily works, yay!
Trackmixes is where the problem is.
I do feel the same, like FLOW shuffle is a bit lousy, it often plays too much tracks I already like.
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Sure,
About the rest, you've got a point. The issue isn't to come up with something that works much better, in our app, all these features are connected. So one of the ideas is to create a whole new player. It might take longer if we go through this route, but we could end up with something faster and more reliable in the end.
Thank you once more for your feedback!
Yes, please do get “back to basics”: “Shuffle” implies “Random” to most people, I think. And if you’re truly wading through users’ catalogues, you might still get some statistical issues such as song repeats or the same artist in a row but that should be very minor compared to what happens now. It shouldn’t be too difficult to come up with something that works much better. (Refer to my previous posts about smart cataloging of songs with on a short ID based on artist/song/album.)
With Flow, you can mix in other material as the current description says, just don’t do weird/annoying things like play me a Whitney Houston or Jay Z or Bryan Adams track if I don’t have anything resembling them in my lists (which I don’t).
Good luck!
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Thank you for your detailed feedback
I've now forwarded every word of it because we shouldn't turn our back to this feature's criticism. I understand your points and I'm sincerely sorry for the experience you've had with the shuffle mode and with Flow.
Deezer has put all hands together and we've recently decided we're going back to basics. This is something discussed at length internally, so I'm sharing a bit with you, exclusively.
We'll be putting our efforts into getting our player to work as a player should be. Efficient, reliable, and with the ability to connect to different devices and sources. This has been the feedback from the community for a couple of years now. So it's time to get our resources together and get some of these essential features right. That's what we aim to deliver in 2021.
So I invite you, perhaps without paying for a subscription, to check back with us around the first quarter of the next year, to see where we're at in terms of improvement and development. I'm unable to share deadlines and other plans we have, but I can assure you that the commitment is great. Deezer is the underdog in the streaming market, and for this reason, everyone here is passionate about you, users, and music. So we'll keep working to get to the next level. Trust me, I've been here for a few years and there are only better things to come 
Having given up on the idiotic Flow - refer other threads - I gave Shuffle another go the last day or so after abandoning it a while back.
Well, all I can say is that I’m glad I have R.E.M., Joni Mitchell and Neil Young in my 199 artist list. Because that’s about all I get from the misnamed “Shuffle” feature.
Do you guys know that the word “shuffle” means “to rearrange things in a random or pseudo-random order”?
It doesn’t mean “play songs from artists who belong to labels that pay Deezer a higher fee”.
Out of the nearly 200 artists in my artist list, I hear songs from about 10, maybe 15 artists and about 5% of their catalogue. That’s a very small song sample for a feature called “Shuffle”.
Eg:
How can I hear three R.E.M. songs IN SUCCESSION? How can I hear the SAME Joni Mitchell song (“Coyote”) EVERY TIME I play Shuffle? How can I hear the same R.E.M. song (“Radio Song”) three times in an hour?
Please fire your developers. They clearly don’t have a clue what they’re doing to get BOTH Flow AND Shuffle so wrong.
Many, many people in this Community are TELLING YOU that these features do not work how we want them to work. You provide the standard “thanks for your feedback” and “we’ll pass it along to our developers”, yet YEARS go by without ANY improvement. (Those Universal Music Group fees are just too hard to ignore, aren’t they?)
I give up, Deezer. My annual subscription runs out in a few weeks and I think I’ll try Spotify or go back to Tidal.
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Sorry again
It's definitely on our end and I've already mentioned it to our devs 
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