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352.8 khz and MQA titles on Deezer.

  • 19 November 2020
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JakobG
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Hey @JakobG 

Thank you! I've seen it.

But I was thinking more of a playlist, with the Deezer links. Is that something you can do? By adding the titles to a public playlist? :eyes:

Dear Rudi 

I made this one and hopefully you can find it on deezer, let me know!  

👍

 

Or this one 

 

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Rudi
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Thanks a lot, bud @JakobG 

I found it! 

 

I've added to my favourites, as well :smiley:

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Here’s another one and I can confirm, that the above album is indeed MQA.

 

Playback system:

BlueSound Node 2i coax output to

Lyngdorf TDAI 2200 RoomPerfect Amp

Lyngdorf SDA 2400 Amp

Lyngdorf DP1 + BW1 Speakers 


Hi Jakob,

What app are those captures from?

I use UAPP but Deezer is not part of their supported streaming services.

Regards

JakobG
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Found another one!  


Hi Jakob,

The MQA logo and sampling freq. on the notification bar is put there by the Deezer app?

If so, is the OS IOS or Android?

If not, what app is doing that?

Hi Jof 

Here you can see an example of MQA decoding by the DAC and show by USB audio PRO app

 

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Found another one!  


Hi Jakob,

The MQA logo and sampling freq. on the notification bar is put there by the Deezer app?

If so, is the OS IOS or Android?

If not, what app is doing that?

Hi Jof

The MQA logo and samp freq are put there by the device.  Deezer is offering the service of of hi-res albums compressed with MQA tech, but you need a DAC with firmware that is capable of unfolding MQA files,  in this case with a samp freq of pcm 352.8 kHz  FLAC . Your device/ DAC also has to be capable to handle pcm up to 352.8kHz . If your device is capable of both,  you can download several apps that will show the MQA logo and ( like the " USB audio PRO" app)  also shows the freq. 


Thanks Jakob,

I use USB audio PRO on my android smartphone with an MQA-enabled Ztella DAC for listening Tidal MQA streams. I would like to try with deezer, but the list of music streaming services on USB Audio Pro doesn’t show me Deezer.

How are u doing?

JakobG
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Hmm… so it’s only available on mobile devices with certain DACs connected to them? I don’t see this functionality on a desktop, and even if the files were indeed different from our standard FLACs that would necessitate bit and resolution mode switching from Deezer app itself, which it doesn’t do. Does that mean that mobile apps have a different way to pass the audio, bypassing the native decoders and just dumping the stream over to the DAC which would automagically select the correct mode for playback? Hmm…

All in all I would prefer either more hi-res (but still standard) FLACs and/or DSD. Both are open-source, standard, lossless, and perform quite well. Along with mode switching for whatever audio hardware you’re using. The concept works quite well in Swinsian app on macos: https://swinsian.com 

Hallo Buckie. 

Some mobile devices have there own DAC,  such ass Fiio or Astell & Kern f.i. 

The Fiio i own has the feature to upsample everything to DSD ( not that i use this much)  

Here you can see an example. Playing Joni Mitchell on Deezer you can see that the Fiio upsamples this song to 2.8mHz ( DSD)  .

When i play some songs from the 2L label on Deezer nothing is upsampled. The stream is a right away 352.8kHz MQA. 

Jakob 

 

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Rudi
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Hey @Buckie 

I get you completely but we're also waiting for a reply from our Partnerships teams about this. They've been so busy recently with massive connectivity projects for this year (finally we'll see a lot of improvements in this area, after so much demand from the community). And based on what I've known, we've had a brief partnership with MQA in the past - this isn't something we're actively working with at the moment - but we're waiting to see if this is something our predecessors have set up a while ago.

So it's like a rare find, which we still need to dig deeper to get to the bottom of it. I'll be in touch once we have more info.

JakobG
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Hi Jakob,

So this image I’m attaching (previousy shared by you) is from your Fiio M11 Pro?

If so, is it from its built-in music player?

Regards,

Jo

Hello Jof. 

This pict is Mark Percy's,  not mine

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Hey @Buckie 

I get you completely but we're also waiting for a reply from our Partnerships teams about this. They've been so busy recently with massive connectivity projects for this year (finally we'll see a lot of improvements in this area, after so much demand from the community). And based on what I've known, we've had a brief partnership with MQA in the past - this isn't something we're actively working with at the moment - but we're waiting to see if this is something our predecessors have set up a while ago.

So it's like a rare find, which we still need to dig deeper to get to the bottom of it. I'll be in touch once we have more info.

Hi @Rudi 

 

Any update on this? 

 

FWIW, many of the quoted tracks are definitely MQA - or at least my iFi ZEN DAC is decoding/unfolding them as such… 

Is this something you’re likely to resurrect, or provide higher-than-cd quality (MQA, DSD, DXD, etc) in the future?

cheers,

Matt

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Hi guys, how can I see the streaming quality like on your posted screenshoots? Maybe I´m blind but can´t find any option on iPhone app; only “HiFi”, that´s it. Or are you using a additional player/software? Thanks in advance. 

Rudi
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Yes, some users have their speakers' apps providing an analysis of the content streaming @ronsen :thumbsup_tone2:

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Very interesting, do you have the direct link? You can also do a label search in Deezer with this search term:

label:”2L”

And then click on the found albums, there should be 300 max. or 260 in this case.

I cannot check High Definition resolutions, as I only use a standard PC soundchip, but others with a DAC might confirm this.

ZZee ya, Hans-Jürgen (Bluezz Bastardzz and Indigo Rocks, available on Deezer)
JakobG
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Hi

Look for the Album " Spes" by Tove Ramlo-Ystad. When you found this one,  you will see more albums in this genre. 

Or go to the website of 2L and look for albums after the year 2017 . You will find this albums on Deezer and they're all on Deezer. 

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https://deezer.page.link/1efrzjbkBwQrWoQM6

I can change the playback properties in the Windows 10 audio settings to 24-bit / 192khz for this HD soundchip and driver, but there is no way to check the real resolution of the currently playing track in Windows 10, as far as I know. Anyhow, thanks for posting this.

ZZee ya, Hans-Jürgen (Bluezz Bastardzz and Indigo Rocks, available on Deezer)
JakobG
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Which DAC do you own? 

On the pic you can see the sample Freq 

 

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Jaime.
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Hi @JakobG can you please confirm the Brand and model of your High end sound system? 
Thanks :)

Jaime.
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Hi again @JakobG I have investigated and I think that what is happening here is the following:
It seems that your are using bluetooth on your sound system, with a Sony codec (LDAC).The number 352.8K is the bitrate of your current Bluetooth connexion (aka 352kbps).
Deezer provides a FLAC stream (16bits, 44.1KHz, which I think corresponds to a bitrate ~1411kbps), and your sound system converts it to LDAC at ~352kbps to stream it over bluetooth.
I hope this helps :relaxed:

JakobG
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Hi Jaime

When i use bluetooth ( just occasionally)  I can stream max 96 khz. 

What you see on the the picture is that the Bluetooth is on,  but not in use. 

Most of the time my DAP Fiio M11pro is connected through usb to a masterclock Mutec MC 3+USB. Connection through USB will give me a lot of opportunities. 

I can stream DSD 64, 128, 256 .  DOP,  but also DXD 352.8 khz 

The "K" placed after 352.8 in the picture  means sample freq Khz. 

The Mutec " sees " a signal of 352.8 and reclock this and puts out a sample freq of my choice. 

2L is famous by making audiophile recordings made in DXD format. 

So it's fun to see that Deezer just put this format on the list. 

I just cancelled my Spotify subs and one of these days I will go on with deezer. Overall it's sounds way better. 

 

Rest of my system

Audio Physic Avanti IV

TUBE TECH PRE AMP 

MONOBLOCKS Belcanto 1000M

Tenlabs DAC 

Greets

Jakob 

 

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Jaime.
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Thanks for all the specs and details @JakobG. I have passed your feedback to our music team :radio:

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Rudi
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Hey @JakobG @Mark Percy 

This is quite unusual but our colleague @Jaime. is digging deep with the devs to understand :thumbsup_tone2: we'll be in touch!

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Sorry @JakobG 

We're also waiting to hear more from our devs but as you can imagine, it's a super busy end of the year.

Hang in there, we'll get to the bottom of this :v_tone2:

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Hey @JakobG 

Thanks a lot for that!

Can you perhaps make a playlist of all the titles? I'd like to share that further with our devs :wink:

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Just saw this and confirmed, interesting.  Soooo…….MQA on Deezer.  Who would have foreseen that?

JakobG
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Hey @JakobG 

Thank you! I've seen it.

But I was thinking more of a playlist, with the Deezer links. Is that something you can do? By adding the titles to a public playlist? :eyes:

Dear Rudi 

I made this one and hopefully you can find it on deezer, let me know!  

👍

 

JakobG

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