This is an “issue” that Deezer knows full-well about, and has done for a long time.The main reason it’s not being “fixed” is because Deezer takes payola (refer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola). This is the practice of being paid to play certain artists and/or songs/albums, unbeknownst to the listener (us).They’ll never admit it, and Deezer is not alone in this practice, but it’s the only explanation for the behaviour we see and the lack of “fix”. All we get is lip-service from the poor moderator about “sending this on to our developers”).So, if I select Shuffle my music I get the same Van Morrison song (Dark End of The Street), the same Emmylou Harris song, twelve million R.E.M. songs, etc, over and over, and virtually never anything from 90% of my other artists. (I even unfavourited R.E.M. to try to stop this and it helped, a bit.)In short, we’re being duped by a company that is chasing profits. This kind of deception eventually backfires when a better company comes along and pro
Everyone at Deezer is working super hard to please us. Well, that’s alright, then. What a relief.Thanks!
Shuffle My Music ... does not include artists who have been favourited in your libraryWhat?? Seriously?? Your whole artist catalogue is IGNORED when shuffling music??What genius decided that that was a good idea?That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard since someone told me that Donald Trump would make a good president.OF COURSE, shuffling music should include the artists you’ve added to your favourites. That is bleeding obvious.
... this counts everything except artists (playlists, albums, tracks). Do you mean that Shuffle does not refer to any artists I’ve favourite-d when playing and only looks at playlists and favourite-d albums and tracks?
… have you tried to select a mood on Flow? Yes, I did try to try that but it kinda didn’t give me any choices that made sense.Anyway, I’ve cancelled my annual Premium subscription. I might check in again in a year or so. But today was the end for me; virtually every 4th or 5th song was R.E.M. I like R.E.M. - quite a lot - but it makes zero sense that a shuffle algorithm can throw up one artist out of 200 20% of the time. Seems a bit sus to me.Good luck!
@Rudi Goodreply, Rudi, but it might be too-little-too-late for me and some others here.Yes, please do get “back to basics”: “Shuffle” implies “Random” to most people, I think. And if you’re truly wading through users’ catalogues, you might still get some statistical issues such as song repeats or the same artist in a row but that should be very minor compared to what happens now. It shouldn’t be too difficult to come up with something that works much better. (Refer to my previous posts about smart cataloging of songs with on a short ID based on artist/song/album.)With Flow, you can mix in other material as the current description says, just don’t do weird/annoying things like play me a Whitney Houston or Jay Z or Bryan Adams track if I don’t have anything resembling them in my lists (which I don’t).Good luck!
Having given up on the idiotic Flow - refer other threads - I gave Shuffle another go the last day or so after abandoning it a while back.Well, all I can say is that I’m glad I have R.E.M., Joni Mitchell and Neil Young in my 199 artist list. Because that’s about all I get from the misnamed “Shuffle” feature.Do you guys know that the word “shuffle” means “to rearrange things in a random or pseudo-random order”?It doesn’t mean “play songs from artists who belong to labels that pay Deezer a higher fee”.Out of the nearly 200 artists in my artist list, I hear songs from about 10, maybe 15 artists and about 5% of their catalogue. That’s a very small song sample for a feature called “Shuffle”.Eg:How can I hear three R.E.M. songs IN SUCCESSION? How can I hear the SAME Joni Mitchell song (“Coyote”) EVERY TIME I play Shuffle? How can I hear the same R.E.M. song (“Radio Song”) three times in an hour?Please fire your developers. They clearly don’t have a clue what they’re doing to get BOTH Flow A
Well, it’s now 10 months on from my first post about Flow being a PoS.Three days ago I had to stop Flow, after using it for the first time in months, because it played Emmylou Harris’s Going Back To Harlan about five times in two hours. Same track, not a mix of live versions of anything.That just shows you how lame Flow’s algorithm is and that not one thing has been done to improve it in almost a year.My annual subscription is up for renewal next month, AND the price has just gone up. Do you think I should A) renew, or B) change music services? (Hint: it’ll probably be B.)
How would that help, @Rudi? The stats aren’t coming from my own machine or account, they community-based, right?
Ok, here’s what you get for Canned Heat: In the top 13 tracks, On The Road Again is there FOUR TIMES and Going Up The Country THREE TIMES: Ridiculous!This virtually makes listening like this, er, unlistenable unless you’re willing to jump in and skip tracks all the time.
… we would have to set up a whole tag system ... Not really; you could simply use a hash of the artist + album + track name. It wouldn’t need to be exact so you could simply save a sub-string of hash. 16 characters should give you plenty of immunity from repeats.
In my opinion, a good Shuffle should work like this: Randomly select tracks from my ENTIRE LIBRARY, BUT Do not repeat tracks by the same artist BY NAME for at least a day, preferably longer*, AND Possibly do not play tracks shorter than 15s as these are likely not “real” tracks, eg preludes to tracks. Yes, you could add fancy options such as play only popular tracks, or only from tagged artists or albums. * Not just the album/track number as this can mean you get, say, Bohemian Rhapsody from a multitude of different releases: original album, live albums, best ofs, etc, etc. I realize that this requires you to potentially track more data but you can do this smartly by tagging tracks with the same name by the same artist with the an ID.
If you prefer less discovery, you could simply click on Shuffle my Music to play your entire music library. Not true, Shuffle is very restricted/narrow in the tracks it plays as well. Deezer, why is this so hard?? Randomize, checking for repeated tracks BY NAME (so you don’t get three tracks repeated from the album, Best of … and live, for example). Done. I have no idea how you’ve gone about it but it sure doesn’t work very well.
It means that with 0 favourite tracks, Flow is unable to find music for you based on what you like, because it doesn't know what you like ;) Please add some artists, albums, playlists and songs to your favourites so Flow can generate satisfying playlists for you Surely if I have an artist/album is my catalog Flow can just work from that. I wouldn’t have the artist/album if I didn’t like them. Having to “favourite” them as well is a bit ridiculous.
@Rudi Not available in the Bose soundtouch where I play 90% of my music I have the Bose SoundTouch app and it’s a piece of junk. It displays only 25 albums per artist, you can’t sort artists, you can’t move forward or backward in a track, etc, etc. Absolute rubbish. Bose lets itself down mightily with its software; the hardware sounds great but I think they’ll die if they don’t get their apps sorted out and soon.
Can we request that flow be coded to improve the songs it plays to change the frequency? The lack of diversity in the songs it plays is frustrating even though it plays songs I like it plays them too often A year on and Flow is just the same; I can’t listed to the same three Joni Mitchell tracks every day! Surely it wouldn’t be too hard to randomize the top 20 or 30 tracks of each artist (depending on their career output). I use shuffle instead but even that isn’t very random and it can’t be access via Alexa on Echo devices. I think Deezer really needs to up its game here.
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