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352.8 khz and MQA titles on Deezer.

  • 19 November 2020
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Using Deezer Hifi because of my Highend equipment I was very amazed when I was streaming some albums from the 2L label,  mostly classical and choir. Normally it's the usual 44.1khz but suddenly... 352.8 khz!  And also MQA !! . Switching back and wordward to other albums( checking  the system wasn't cunfused) every 2L album gave the same highend results.

Dear Deezer,  what's going on???  

Thank

Jakob 


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Hey @JakobG 

Thanks a lot for that!

Can you perhaps make a playlist of all the titles? I'd like to share that further with our devs :wink:

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Hello Rudi 

I made a list already 

You can find it on related topics : 

" List of MQA titles on Deezer " 

 

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Hey @JakobG 

Thanks a lot for that!

Can you perhaps make a playlist of all the titles? I'd like to share that further with our devs :wink:

Hello Rudi 

I made a list already 

You can find it on related topics : 

" List of MQA titles on Deezer " 

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Two other ones

 

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Hey @JakobG 

Thank you! I've seen it.

But I was thinking more of a playlist, with the Deezer links. Is that something you can do? By adding the titles to a public playlist? :eyes:

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Hey @JakobG 

Thank you! I've seen it.

But I was thinking more of a playlist, with the Deezer links. Is that something you can do? By adding the titles to a public playlist? :eyes:

 

I have my own MQA playlist already but can't find the option to make it public 

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Hey @JakobG 

Thank you! I've seen it.

But I was thinking more of a playlist, with the Deezer links. Is that something you can do? By adding the titles to a public playlist? :eyes:

Dear Rudi 

I made this one and hopefully you can find it on deezer, let me know!  

👍

 

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Hey @JakobG 

Thank you! I've seen it.

But I was thinking more of a playlist, with the Deezer links. Is that something you can do? By adding the titles to a public playlist? :eyes:

Dear Rudi 

I made this one and hopefully you can find it on deezer, let me know!  

👍

 

Or this one 

 

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Thanks a lot, bud @JakobG 

I found it! 

 

I've added to my favourites, as well :smiley:

Found another one!  


Hi Jakob,

The MQA logo and sampling freq. on the notification bar is put there by the Deezer app?

If so, is the OS IOS or Android?

If not, what app is doing that?

Here’s another one and I can confirm, that the above album is indeed MQA.

 

Playback system:

BlueSound Node 2i coax output to

Lyngdorf TDAI 2200 RoomPerfect Amp

Lyngdorf SDA 2400 Amp

Lyngdorf DP1 + BW1 Speakers 


Hi Jakob,

What app are those captures from?

I use UAPP but Deezer is not part of their supported streaming services.

Regards

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Found another one!  


Hi Jakob,

The MQA logo and sampling freq. on the notification bar is put there by the Deezer app?

If so, is the OS IOS or Android?

If not, what app is doing that?

Hi Jof

The MQA logo and samp freq are put there by the device.  Deezer is offering the service of of hi-res albums compressed with MQA tech, but you need a DAC with firmware that is capable of unfolding MQA files,  in this case with a samp freq of pcm 352.8 kHz  FLAC . Your device/ DAC also has to be capable to handle pcm up to 352.8kHz . If your device is capable of both,  you can download several apps that will show the MQA logo and ( like the " USB audio PRO" app)  also shows the freq. 

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Found another one!  


Hi Jakob,

The MQA logo and sampling freq. on the notification bar is put there by the Deezer app?

If so, is the OS IOS or Android?

If not, what app is doing that?

Hi Jof 

Here you can see an example of MQA decoding by the DAC and show by USB audio PRO app

 

Found another one!  


Hi Jakob,

The MQA logo and sampling freq. on the notification bar is put there by the Deezer app?

If so, is the OS IOS or Android?

If not, what app is doing that?

Hi Jof

The MQA logo and samp freq are put there by the device.  Deezer is offering the service of of hi-res albums compressed with MQA tech, but you need a DAC with firmware that is capable of unfolding MQA files,  in this case with a samp freq of pcm 352.8 kHz  FLAC . Your device/ DAC also has to be capable to handle pcm up to 352.8kHz . If your device is capable of both,  you can download several apps that will show the MQA logo and ( like the " USB audio PRO" app)  also shows the freq. 


Thanks Jakob,

I use USB audio PRO on my android smartphone with an MQA-enabled Ztella DAC for listening Tidal MQA streams. I would like to try with deezer, but the list of music streaming services on USB Audio Pro doesn’t show me Deezer.

How are u doing?

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Hello Jof. 

USB audio Pro doesn't support Deezer. 

I think they do not know that Deezer has hi-res music. 

I don't need USB audio Pro necessarily to stream music from Deezer. 

My device ( Fiio M11Pro ) allways shows the sample Freq and - when present- MQA. 

The Fiio connected to my masterclock ( playing Deezer)  gives a very high-end sound that - in my opinion - even betters Tidal and Qobuz. 

Everybody is yelling MQA!  MQA!  

The story is that MQA is lossless,  but it isn't. In my opinion MQA is a little bit to late. 10 years ago it would be top. 

Nowadays we can stream and store immense files and compression is not necessarily needed anymore. 

Don't stare yourself blind on sample freqenties and bits. Music stands or fall by the recording and mastering. 

A recording from ECM f.i on 16bit/ 44 khz sounds most of time far better than the usual recordings. 

16 bits is more than enough headroom and 96kHz more than fantastic in your room. 

Regards Jakob 

Hi Jakob,

So this image I’m attaching (previousy shared by you) is from your Fiio M11 Pro?

If so, is it from its built-in music player?

Regards,

Jo

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Hmm… so it’s only available on mobile devices with certain DACs connected to them? I don’t see this functionality on a desktop, and even if the files were indeed different from our standard FLACs that would necessitate bit and resolution mode switching from Deezer app itself, which it doesn’t do. Does that mean that mobile apps have a different way to pass the audio, bypassing the native decoders and just dumping the stream over to the DAC which would automagically select the correct mode for playback? Hmm…

All in all I would prefer either more hi-res (but still standard) FLACs and/or DSD. Both are open-source, standard, lossless, and perform quite well. Along with mode switching for whatever audio hardware you’re using. The concept works quite well in Swinsian app on macos: https://swinsian.com 

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Hi Jakob,

So this image I’m attaching (previousy shared by you) is from your Fiio M11 Pro?

If so, is it from its built-in music player?

Regards,

Jo

Hallo Jof

This picture is not mine, that's from Mark Percy 

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Hmm… so it’s only available on mobile devices with certain DACs connected to them? I don’t see this functionality on a desktop, and even if the files were indeed different from our standard FLACs that would necessitate bit and resolution mode switching from Deezer app itself, which it doesn’t do. Does that mean that mobile apps have a different way to pass the audio, bypassing the native decoders and just dumping the stream over to the DAC which would automagically select the correct mode for playback? Hmm…

All in all I would prefer either more hi-res (but still standard) FLACs and/or DSD. Both are open-source, standard, lossless, and perform quite well. Along with mode switching for whatever audio hardware you’re using. The concept works quite well in Swinsian app on macos: https://swinsian.com 

Hallo Buckie. 

Some mobile devices have there own DAC,  such ass Fiio or Astell & Kern f.i. 

The Fiio i own has the feature to upsample everything to DSD ( not that i use this much)  

Here you can see an example. Playing Joni Mitchell on Deezer you can see that the Fiio upsamples this song to 2.8mHz ( DSD)  .

When i play some songs from the 2L label on Deezer nothing is upsampled. The stream is a right away 352.8kHz MQA. 

Jakob 

 

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What I find wrong in all of this, is that the official Deezer representatives don’t have any idea about what’s going on. It’s like their developer side and, worse yet, planning side, is a black box that is completely out of their reach. You’d think that Rudi and Jamie would be the first to know and announce that but no, it’s the users.

Not blaming Rudi or Jamie, of course, but it does makes one wonder exactly why Deezer chose such a weird totally non-transparent multi-layered development and management model. What elusive purpose does that serve… Maybe just trying to outdo Apple in the secrecy department.

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Hey @Buckie 

I get you completely but we're also waiting for a reply from our Partnerships teams about this. They've been so busy recently with massive connectivity projects for this year (finally we'll see a lot of improvements in this area, after so much demand from the community). And based on what I've known, we've had a brief partnership with MQA in the past - this isn't something we're actively working with at the moment - but we're waiting to see if this is something our predecessors have set up a while ago.

So it's like a rare find, which we still need to dig deeper to get to the bottom of it. I'll be in touch once we have more info.

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Hi Jakob,

So this image I’m attaching (previousy shared by you) is from your Fiio M11 Pro?

If so, is it from its built-in music player?

Regards,

Jo

Hello Jof. 

This pict is Mark Percy's,  not mine

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Hey @Buckie 

I get you completely but we're also waiting for a reply from our Partnerships teams about this. They've been so busy recently with massive connectivity projects for this year (finally we'll see a lot of improvements in this area, after so much demand from the community). And based on what I've known, we've had a brief partnership with MQA in the past - this isn't something we're actively working with at the moment - but we're waiting to see if this is something our predecessors have set up a while ago.

So it's like a rare find, which we still need to dig deeper to get to the bottom of it. I'll be in touch once we have more info.

Hi @Rudi 

 

Any update on this? 

 

FWIW, many of the quoted tracks are definitely MQA - or at least my iFi ZEN DAC is decoding/unfolding them as such… 

Is this something you’re likely to resurrect, or provide higher-than-cd quality (MQA, DSD, DXD, etc) in the future?

cheers,

Matt

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Hey Matt, @eschatologist71 

No updates so far as we're working hard to improve reliability on the app at the moment.

However, it remains on our radar to perhaps work on a Hi-Res version for Deezer in the future. I'll pass on your feedback :wink:

Hi guys, how can I see the streaming quality like on your posted screenshoots? Maybe I´m blind but can´t find any option on iPhone app; only “HiFi”, that´s it. Or are you using a additional player/software? Thanks in advance. 

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